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Old 11-10-2012, 04:52 PM
 
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...and here we have it folks...the face of integrity, generosity and patriotism.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: On the border of off the grid
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I sense intensive tax audits in his future.
Well, that may be part of the bankruptcy proceedings. Of course, The One told us that energy costs would "necessarily skyrocket" so I'm sure the IRS will go after him when he has to raise his prices high enough to cover the cost of the oppressive EPA regulations placed on his business. One way or the other, he's screwed.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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BWAHAHAHAHA! Where? In China?

Need I remind you:

Obama's alternative energy bankruptcies - Oct. 22, 2012

Coal natural. Coal burns. Coal dirty. Live with it.
You live with it. I live in a city that has a Mayor that endorsed a Presidential candidate that supports Green Energy..don't you? Are you in so much of a bubble that you do not realize that the industry has had successes???


Federally Funded Green Energy Projects Not Such A Failure ...

Federally Funded Green Energy Projects
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Coal will become more expensive and more difficult to obtain going forward. Order early and order larger quantities.
Exactly. It's the consumer who will pay the bill.
Don't tell the dems, though. It's too difficult to understand and will confuse them.

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You can do your part by shutting off your computer, and stop causing death of people who live nearby..
Yeah. And stop using products made from oil byproducts. Which is pretty much everything.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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You live with it. I live in a city that has a Mayor that endorsed a Presidential candidate that supports Green Energy..don't you? Are you in so much of a bubble that you do not realize that the industry has had successes???


Federally Funded Green Energy Projects – Not Such A Failure ...

Federally Funded Green Energy Projects
Yeah, uh, I don't see a single SUCCESS story in that article. I live on Long Island. Many areas still have long gas lines and are without power TWO WEEKS after the hurricane. You are delusional if you think "green energy" is the least bit relevant. Look to Spain.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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Yeah, uh, I don't see a single SUCCESS story in that article. I live on Long Island. Many areas still have long gas lines and are without power TWO WEEKS after the hurricane. You are delusional if you think "green energy" is the least bit relevant. Look to Spain.
No, I look to Germany where I have relatives. So get some coal for your coal stove. Did anyone ever stop you from purchasing one?

Tunnel vision does nothing to compete in a global economy...

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And the Army is planning to invest $7 billion over the coming years to obtain 25 percent of its energy from renewable sources by 2025. Most importantly, these investments will save lives and make America a more secure nation.
And herein lies the contradiction: Our nation’s biggest investors and armed forces clearly support the renewable energy technologies. Why, then, are so many politicians so far behind? Why are our nation’s biggest investors and our armed forces sticking with renewable energy technologies when some in Congress have abandoned them?

Because those politicians have failed to look at the big picture. Anyone who has invested in a new growth industry understands that success is often accompanied by some failure. To take the solar industry as one example, verticals that experience exponential growth will also have their share of falling costs. In the end, some companies go under, while others thrive. It happened with the American auto industry. It happened with the American software industry. And today, it is happening with solar. That is why leaders with the long view aren’t heading for the hills. They are doubling down
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http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...rgys-villainy/


http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment...he-right-video

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Old 11-10-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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The coal industry has had decades to clean up their act. Seriously, if it's a choice between cutting jobs and allowing the industry to continue spewing mercury into the air, I'd rather see the jobs disappear. Mercury pollution is no joke.

Mercury is a deadly neurotoxin. When it gets into the air, it falls in rain and enters the food chain, eventually ending up in fish we eat. Several of the lakes nearby have a consumption advisory on game fish due to mercury contamination. It's even found in significant quantities in large commercially fished species like swordfish and tuna. Think about that next time you make a tuna fish sandwich.
The mercury deposition rates in the US under these new rules will result in a 1% to 10% reduction and according to EPA estimates increase the average IQ 2/1000 of one point.
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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Power plants are shifting to cheaper cleaner natural gas. Does the coal mine operator think that the govt. should force power plants to buy what they don`t want?
The cheaper natural gas is one reason but effective in March will be the new CO caps which effectively will prevent any new coal plant from being built.
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:51 PM
 
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You can do your part by shutting off your computer, and stop causing death of people who live nearby..
By this I assume you mean the "X number of diseases and fatalities" attributed to coal?

You ever wonder how they arrive at those numbers? They use what is called linear dose assessment that assumes every particle of pollution is equally as dangerous. For example they did a study on ladder falls, suppose the results of this study show if 20 people fall off a 20 foot ladder 10 of them die.

From there they extrapolate and for every 400 feet a population is too fall 10 are going to die. If forty people fall off a ladder 10 feet high 10 still die. If 400 people fall off a ladder 1 foot high 10 still die. If millions fall off a crack in the sidewalk 10 still die.
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:54 PM
 
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What Murray did was based on pure speculation on the outcome of Obama being re-elected.
There is no speculation, the CO caps effective in March will prevent any coal plant from being built. End of story, you need a market for your product and if the EPA has effectively banned it's use by limiting CO output you don't have any customers.

Having said that I hear the export business to China and other Asian countries is booming.
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