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Old 11-10-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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1. There is a path to legal immigration. Millions have followed it and successfully. We allow more immigration than all other nations combined.
An unskilled - even a skilled - worker from south of the border doesn't really have a legal path on his/her own. And those are the ones we're mostly talking about, right?
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:18 AM
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The Republicans have a problem. It looks like many of them are starting to realize this. The basic problem is demograpics. The country is changing but the Republicans have not changed with it. While the country is moving more liberal, the Republicans have moved far to the right. The country is becoming more brown and black while the Republicans only appeal to white males, southerners and the elderly. Not exactly a growing demographic. Here are 3 things the Republicans must do:
1. They must change their stand on immigration. They need to drop opposition to amnesty, especially for illegals that were brought here as children. They must at least allow a path to legal status such as Permanent Residency if not citizenship. This issue is killing the Republicans with Hispanics and it is going to be much harder in the future to put together an electorial college map without Hispanics.
2. The Republicans must drop their silly anti abortion stand. Abortion has been fully legal for almost 40 years. It is here to stay. All the Republicans do by trying to outlaw or restrict abortion is make lawyers rich when they get hauled into court and make women voters run like hell to the Democrats.
3. They need to drop the anti gay silliness. Gays are here to stay. They are not going to switch to hetrosexual because some people don't like them. Not only are the Republicans running off millions of gays but also their friends and family members. The GOP should announce today that they will work to repeal DOMA and drop opposition to gay rights and gay marriage.
So if Republicans get as trashy and sinful as the Democrats, they can win in a United States election. Wow!

I would rather be right than be president. Is that clear enough? All Republicans are winners just by being who we are.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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I don't think the GOP is really in need of any drastic changes as some might think. They have been running poor tickets. they couldn't have beat Obama the first time because the economy demanded a change in direction. They would have had a tough time beating Obama this time because despite the fact their voters were fooled into thinking the economy was not stabilizing, it was.

The Obama candidacy threw them for a loop because they thought they needed to find "symbolic" candidates like Obama to run against him. They didn't need a symbolic candidate the Dems did. They have external problems that liberals can make easy targets of, like Rush, Fox news, the Tea Party, Evangelicals, and Wall Street. They let all these agents vilify Americans on their behalf. They have to publicly give the cold shoulder to some of these agents the same way that the Obama campaign did with Rev Wright and Jessie Jackson.
The need to get out in front of the Affordable Care Act, a jobs bill and higher taxes for the rich so by mid term elections they can take some credit for the improving economy and not lose any seats.
This post is what they need to read and implement. I don't think they can though. Those people you name are to strong for the thoughtful republicans to beat.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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I don't think the GOP is really in need of any drastic changes as some might think. They have been running poor tickets. they couldn't have beat Obama the first time because the economy demanded a change in direction. They would have had a tough time beating Obama this time because despite the fact their voters were fooled into thinking the economy was not stabilizing, it was.

The Obama candidacy threw them for a loop because they thought they needed to find "symbolic" candidates like Obama to run against him. They didn't need a symbolic candidate the Dems did. They have external problems that liberals can make easy targets of, like Rush, Fox news, the Tea Party, Evangelicals, and Wall Street. They let all these agents vilify Americans on their behalf. They have to publicly give the cold shoulder to some of these agents the same way that the Obama campaign did with Rev Wright and Jessie Jackson.
The need to get out in front of the Affordable Care Act, a jobs bill and higher taxes for the rich so by mid term elections they can take some credit for the improving economy and not lose any seats.
Yes, it would be heartening to see just one high profile Republican stand up to the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump and call them out. I don't expect it to happen though.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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I'm sharing this from a poster named Mike from yahoo. Pretty damned accurate from my perspective.

"I'm an Independent, and I think I know why a lot of us voted for Obama. Let me explain, one more time, and maybe some of you Republicans will finally get it...

Bush, after eight years, left this country in WORSE SHAPE than any president anyone alive can remember. We were on the brink of a total, worldwide economic collapse and major depression. We were SO desperate, we actually voted in an unqualified, inexperienced, BLACK guy... for PRESIDENT! You know what? Before we would allow another Republican to cause more trouble and potential ruin... we voted for him... AGAIN! Even though he was somewhat of a disappointment, things are slowly getting better.

We also did not forget the GOP's publicly stated main goal at the beginning, and throughout President Obama's first term: to do everything and anything to make him a one term President. The Republicans in Congress then REFUSED to compromise, on ANYTHING, not even letting the temporary Bush tax breaks for the wealthy expire, which the vast majority of Americans wanted, (and still do). The goal to make Obama a one term President, at ANY and ALL costs, severely damaged the GOP's credibility, honor, and trustworthiness with most Americans, and me. It was a childish, ugly, stupid agenda, which most people believe hurt America. Well, it backfired, and will be remembered as a mistake that will haunt the GOP for a long time.

UNDENIABLE FACTS: The Bush Administration got us into two unfunded wars. One with Iraq based on, (I'll be kind here), faulty intelligence, and a lame, noneffective war in Afghanistan, which didn't accomplish anything during Bush's watch, except cost money. Republican policies, such as, "trickle down economics", (more like trickled-on), never worked, and still don't. Deregulating our banking system, (something the wealthy wanted, and got), was and still is a disaster. Even Greenspan publicly admitted it was a mistake. The Democrats are also to blame for this, but it was Bush's Treasury Secretary, Paulson, who got on television looking like a scared deer in the headlights, telling us the entire world economy was in immediate danger of a total collapse. To top it all off, the 1-percent, the obscenely wealthy, continue to keep getting a bigger and BIGGER percentage of the nations entire wealth, mainly due to Republican economic and tax policies.

The above reasons are why I voted FOR President Obama, and I'm sure I'm not the only Independent voter who felt this way. I could write another, entire, lengthy post on why I voted AGAINST Governor Romney, but there is no need to.

If fiscal conservatives, who rightly believe in limited government, could somehow get the anti-women, anti-science religious radicals, the Tea Party, Norquist puppets, and the racist element out of the GOP, they might actually survive. Oh wait... that pretty much IS the Republican Party these days now, isn't it?"
This guy made allot of sense.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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They do that, they lose the base. They lose the base, they lose the elections. They won't beat democrats by acting like democrats.
Well... If they ditched the out-of-touch social value agenda and kept their economic principles - better yet, returned to their economic principles of yore - they might make back in centrist voters what they lose on the fringe. They need to man up, take the "it's the economy, stupid" motto to heart and tell the fringes that they can hate the gays on their own time, but on a national level, that is no longer a hill worth dying on.

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They have to lose the racist label but stick to the conservative values, both fiscal and social. There's enough people who would rather be back in 1952 than you might imagine there are. And they are not just whites.
I'd venture to say that the version of 1952 they so yearn for never existed. More to the point, Eisenhower was elected in 1952, and he'd be run out of today's GOP for being a RINO statist. The man who didn't just criticize the military-industrial complex, but who coined the term? Today's GOP has left the GOP of the 1950s far, far behind.

That being said, I doubt that many non-whites long for segregated schools and their own water fountains. As for the 1950s pastiche with a house in the suburbs, living on one income and staying solidly employed down on the mill until you retired with a gold watch and a pension - the GOP has allied itself with those who'd rather die than provide their employees any sort of safety in employment, let alone a pension.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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We need to have a sit down with the Tea Party on who the hell they are choosing to run in these races. Some idiot gets up says a couple of the right things and BINGO we have a candidate.

Next thing you know they are talking about witchcraft and women being able to biologically shut down "legitimate rape" pregnancies.
It's easier to revolt than it is to govern. If you let people ride into candidacy on a wave of "Whatever we have is WRONG" and evade questions on what you want to put in its stead, well - you might get some interesting candidates. Just be happy you mostly nipped it in the bud. Some countries run into that problem on a national level, and it tends to end poorly.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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no they should become (or go back to being) a political party and not a social movement.
Ohhhh, you mean the social values of the right are wrong and only the social values or lack thereof of the Left are right. In other words, left is right and right is wrong. Gotcha. Vee will assimilate, vee will have no thoughts of our own, vee will be your slaves.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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Ohhhh, you mean the social values of the right are wrong and only the social values or lack thereof of the Left are right. In other words, left is right and right is wrong. Gotcha. Vee will assimilate, vee will have no thoughts of our own, vee will be your slaves.
Ditch the right or wrong thinking and start looking at voter blocs. If holding on to increasingly unpopular social values is keeping your party from gaining influence on economic policy, it's time to either decouple the two or face political irrelevancy.
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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They do that, they lose the base. They lose the base, they lose the elections. They won't beat democrats by acting like democrats. They have to lose the racist label but stick to the conservative values, both fiscal and social. There's enough people who would rather be back in 1952 than you might imagine there are. And they are not just whites.
I disagree with that. The base will be there regardless they have no other place to go. I would say likewise for the Democrats. I know many liberals that are not happy with Obama but they voted for him because there is no other place for them to go.
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