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Old 11-10-2012, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Serfdom would be an improvement to the communism we are headed for. If you voted for Obama you voted for communism. It is your fault, not mine, or Romney's.

I noticed several brought up how educated they are. All I have to say is you missed something somewhere in your education because you did not come out of it very smart.

Under Obama, the uber-rich never did better. They were bailed out (Wall Street, auto industry, etc.) with trillions of dollars of our money. Obama is a uber-rich's dream. They get the profits and the losses are handed over to taxpayers via the Federal Reserve. No wonder small businesses cannot compete.

What we have is not socialism (government owns means of production) or capitalism (owners of industries assume profits or losses for their risks). This is a plutocracy with government support of the ultra-rich. Essentially not that much different from any other major economy at present times.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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All I can say is that, if you think it's bad now, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Obama is going to be a much more radical left-wing America hating Communist in his 2nd term than he was in his 1st. You heard what he said to Medvyedev/Putin and the increased regulations and taxes have yet to kick in (for the most part). I heard he has massive regulations that he was waiting to unleash until after the election.

If you think there aren't enough jobs now, there will be even fewer moving forward. You can thank yourself and the other Obama supporters for the worsening Economy. If you voted for Obama, you deserve to be unemployed the rest of your life. You voted to destroy the economy so, if you lose your job, you got what you deserve.
You have to read up on Communism and Socialism. While I agree that what we have now is not much different than Putin's Russia, what we had under Bush's administration was not much different either. It is basically government run for the benefit of the ultra-rich. They are getting all of the money. Ditto for almost any other country that I can think of save Sweden, Finland, and the Netherlands. Maybe the Scandinavians just have a different perspective about life. I remember when I visited, they scoffed at the idea of working long hours to become rich. They were much more interested in spending time with their family.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:05 PM
 
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You underestimate the wisdom, knowledge, commonsense of Americans. Many people do, many commentators and talking heads do, and many politicians do. They are wrong in underestimating. The problem is not with the American people but with the candidate choices that are presented to them. Change is needed in the basic selection of candidates and the only way I can think of is a new centrist party one that allows centrist candidates to thrive --- not marginalized.
you overestimate the wisdom of the americans who voted in this election. americans voted FOR a sick economy, rising debt, and no accountability.

i actually get it now and, although i feel very sad for this country, it has to be this way. you may try and delude yourself into believing that this wasn't a FSA mandate, but i don't.

heck, they are already making demands.

i am sure that the talking heads are pleased with the election results, but i can assure you that anybody who actually works for a living understands what just happened in america.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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you overestimate the wisdom of the americans who voted in this election. americans voted FOR a sick economy, rising debt, and no accountability.

i actually get it now and, although i feel very sad for this country, it has to be this way. you may try and delude yourself into believing that this wasn't a FSA mandate, but i don't.

heck, they are already making demands.

i am sure that the talking heads are pleased with the election results, but i can assure you that anybody who actually works for a living understands what just happened in america.
Maybe you need to learn to have trust in democracies and the wisdom of the electorate. They are the foundation of this country's history. To not too trust the electorate is a path that many countries have taken with dire consequences. Look for the wisdom not the fault.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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You have to read up on Communism and Socialism. While I agree that what we have now is not much different than Putin's Russia, what we had under Bush's administration was not much different either. It is basically government run for the benefit of the ultra-rich. They are getting all of the money. Ditto for almost any other country that I can think of save Sweden, Finland, and the Netherlands. Maybe the Scandinavians just have a different perspective about life. I remember when I visited, they scoffed at the idea of working long hours to become rich. They were much more interested in spending time with their family.
There's crony capitalism, I agree. But what I'm not sure you appreciate is that an ever expanding Government (despite claims to the contrary) makes it harder for the rest of us to succeed. Increased regulations and taxes, as well as open borders, stronger unions (especially public sector), bigger deficits, negative interest rates and weaker currency don't benefit anyone.

The economy is very weak right now and, by re-electing Obama and expanding the Democrats' majority in the Senate, we (collectively; I did not support Obama or Joe Donnelly) made the situation far worse. Look at the insane leftists (Baldwin, Warren, Donnelly) we elected or re-elected (Casey, Jr., Brown, Klobuchar, McCaskill, etc.) to the Senate, in addition to a Marxist President.

Mark my words... if you think things are bad now, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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Maybe you need to learn to have trust in democracies and the wisdom of the electorate. They are the foundation of this country's history. To not too trust the electorate is a path that many countries have taken with dire consequences. Look for the wisdom not the fault.

i would have to look pretty hard for the wisdom.

you have an advisor to this president talking about trashing the US dollar, and you want to talk platitudes? you have a FSA which is growing by leaps and bounds, and a shrinking private sector able or willing to support them.

i don't think that is going to work very well.

get back to me the middle of next year and tell me how this "genius electorate" decision thing is working out for us. i hear that sequestration clock ticking, and that means that something is going to be pulled out of the magician's hat with or without our permission, because we have YET ANOTHER MANUFACTURED CRISIS coming.

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Old 11-10-2012, 10:15 PM
 
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you have an advisor to this president talking about trashing the US dollar, and you want to talk platitudes?

i don't think that is going to work very well.

get back to me the middle of next year and tell me how genius "electorate" decision this is working out for you.
If the economy continues to weaken, don't forget... it's George W Bush's fault. As long as uncle Barack gives out free contraceptives and abortion-on-demand, it's all good!
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Totally agree. On your point concerning gerrymandering, as it turns out there were more votes for Democrats at the Congressional level yet Republicans still won a majority. You points concerning the motivations of Representative is right on point. I know that Americans know this. We are searching for real solutions. I am with you.
Well, the Tea Party people organized. So should the rest of America. The electorate cannot sit it out anymore until the next election. The Congress and President need to be held accountable daily.

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Millions lost their jobs and trillions of dollars of wealth during the Bush administration. The uber-rich don't act any differently whether it be a Republican or Democratic administration. They will work people longer hours, for less money and less benefits and push it to its limits. Without union protection we are marching back to the early 1900's where workers were basically lucky to get enough to pay back to their employers for room and board (sixteen tons and what do you get, another day older and deeper and depth), and I am sure the owners would just love to bring back serfdom. We are not far from that since there are less and less jobs that offer livable wages.
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i have to laugh at the "american electorate voted with great wisdom". it amazes me that they are even happy because this election proved that the takers outnumber the givers in this country (mostly due to the influx of people from other countries who could give a rat's behind about this particular country)and yet they are happy.

frankly, you would think that that might be a cause for concern and they would be a little worried about that thought-but not for these voters of "great wisdom".

i see krugman, the king of the liberal idiots, is talking about how trashing the US dollar is going to be good for us.

right.

and the liberals who pretend, with all the fake sincerity they can muster, that they are for the "common man" don't even blink an eye-because it is clearly great to degrade the working man's wages for the better good.

again, i am down here in my not yet nanny state (at least for now) enjoying my big gulp while i wait for the liberal agenda to play out here in america.
Another misguided "lover of this country" regurgitating unfounded nonsense.

And I'll bet you thought Sam Wang, Simon Jackman, and Nate Silver were phony blowhards and pretenders, as well. Do you even know who they are?

You gotta stop listening to Bullsh*t Mountain News and the three-stooges loonies of Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter. That media outlet and those people and their ignorant followers are the ones living fantasies and holding back this country.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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There's crony capitalism, I agree. But what I'm not sure you appreciate is that an ever expanding Government (despite claims to the contrary) makes it harder for the rest of us to succeed. Increased regulations and taxes, as well as open borders, stronger unions (especially public sector), bigger deficits, negative interest rates and weaker currency don't benefit anyone.

The economy is very weak right now and, by re-electing Obama and expanding the Democrats' majority in the Senate, we (collectively; I did not support Obama or Joe Donnelly) made the situation far worse. Look at the insane leftists (Baldwin, Warren, Donnelly) we elected or re-elected (Casey, Jr., Brown, Klobuchar, McCaskill, etc.) to the Senate, in addition to a Marxist President.

Mark my words... if you think things are bad now, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
I certainly do appreciate the situation our country is in and it is getting much worse. I am hopeful not because Obama was elected or that Republicans hold sway in the Congress, but rather the politicians seem to be getting the message from the electorate and very pleasantly surprising from the 80+ CEOS who have come together to insist that there may a resolution that includes more revenue and less spending. While I do not expect much, it is a start - albeit a small one in the right direction.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:12 AM
 
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Romney gave absolutely no specifics other than he will cut taxes for everyone and the largest share of cuts would go to the wealthiest Americans. A total of 5 trillion dollars of cuts for the rich. Then he proposed 2 trillion additional dollars for defense. As a result, there would be an enormous amount of new debt, not unlike that which was foisted upon the American taxpayer under the Bush administration. If he had an inkling of where he would have cut, he should have said something. I am not a mind reader.
Even the Obama administration said the $5T cuts was a LIE..

And the $2T in additional spending was actually a CUT in growth.

Obama should be proud to have the dumb peoples votes..
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