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Old 11-11-2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
No they should not.

It's important to analyze election results beyond what the mass media proclaims.

Romney got 3 million fewer votes than McCain had in 2008. HOWEVER Obama had 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than he had in 2008 and that was in spite of very big pandering to the illegals which likely picked him up 3 or 4 million or more votes.

If this trend continues, and the Reps get 3 million fewer votes in 2016, and the Dems get 10 million fewer votes in 2016 then guess what happens.

If Obama continues to ignore the needs of black voters and creates jobs only for the illegals -- whose unemployment rates are already FAR better than that of blacks then why would they bother to vote in 2016.

No it's foolish to throw your base under the bus. The only thing Obama is doing is throwing his old base under the bus but replacing it with a new one.
Listen to this guy and watch the republican party disappear.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:51 PM
Location: South Carolina
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Originally Posted by gtc08 View Post
If they do, don't they lose there base?

The base is larger then the independents.
But the base is SHRINKING in election cycle after election cycle in terms of how much of the total vote they represent, because those who believe in imposing their own social morality and religious views on everyone else via government is a SHRINKING portion of the nation.

If they DON'T change their social views, they can count on consistently losing the female vote and the minority vote, and they can count on continuing to lose the youth vote.

But let's take a step back and look at history concerning the Democrats. Back in the '60s when they supported Civil Rights Legislation, that was a decision which made them lose their base- the southern white voter. Yet they were ahead of a demographic trend that has ultimately given them an even stronger base today than Republicans have. Same with Clinton's Democratic Party and fiscal issues- Clinton moved Democrats towards the center and in the process upset his liberal base, but ultimately liberals adjusted and the party is now a big tent party. So the question becomes if you SEE CLEARLY that your base's political viewpoints run counter to the demographic and philosophical trendline in American society, do you continue to cater to a base that you know is on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of where the nation is headed, or do you modify your platform understanding that even if you do lose your base in the short term, you can build a more SOLID base in the long term? The question is do you sacrifice the long term to embrace the short term, and a short term that is not even lending itself towards success?

Right now the ONLY message Republicans have that COULD be and advantage is their economic/debt message. Their social message is a losing message. Now if Obama moves center and succeeds on the economy and debt like Clinton did, that will give the Republicans NO advantage in their message. So Republicans' future right now depends on

1)How much to the center Obama moves on the economy and debt to be where American votes are, and
2)How much to the center Republicans move on social issues to be where American voters are

and it seems Obama is inclined to move to the center whereas Republicans are not. Republicans can do whatever it takes to keep their base and appease their base, but they have to realize that more than likely that simply means they will continue losing presidential elections. Remember there was almost no Bush 43 Republican presidency- only 537 Florida votes gave it to him. Republicans are playing a losing game forever appeasing a demographically shrinking base.
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