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Old 11-12-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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How does that kill the red state/blue state argument? Looks to me like a sea of red rural areas, with splotches of blue (mostly urban areas) that turn some states blue.
It doesn't kill anything, unless one disregards the original point about population distribution.

Plus even in "red" or "blue" counties, most have a significant portion of people voting for the other side.

That's how you end up with a ~52/47 split even with a map that looks like that.

So in short, you're right.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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And they are safe because they have low rates of minorities. The most unsafe states have high minority populations which have, unfortunately, a high propensity for crime. If one were to be pragmatic one might assume that this is why the whites in those states vote conservative.
Ok what point are you trying to make? Since when did this become a race issue? Most minority's and most of the safest states voted Obama. So the safest states being mostly white has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:15 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Ok what point are you trying to make? Since when did this become a race issue? Most minority's and most of the safest states voted Obama. So the safest states being mostly white has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
For some people, everything's about race.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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They are also the whitest. Don't you libs ever think before you link?!
What does that have to do with anything you said? I was responding to your assertion that the blue states are full of violence. I don't care about what color the people are. I guess you do.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Ok what point are you trying to make? Since when did this become a race issue? Most minority's and most of the safest states voted Obama. So the safest states being mostly white has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
When we conservatives, and specifically red states, are constantly being belittled as angry white men on this board, it absolutely does make a difference.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I take it you didn't know. Lol!
Nope, never been there. Your point is?
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:40 PM
 
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Does anyone remember the ~upside down map~ episode of West Wing? A cartographer tries to persuade C.J. that, from a universal perspective, there is no Up or Down or North or South. C. J. responds "Stop that, you're freaking me out".

My point is: when you look at a traditional map, it's almost impossible to drop prejudices and cultural conditioning. The OP admirably offered a map that accurately reflects how the country voted in this election. I enjoyed seeing it, even more so when I turned my laptop monitor upside down and discovered the South all went deep blue. kewl.

To digress a bit, there are many folks for whom this election was a "world turned upside down" experience. They need time to absorb it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:57 PM
 
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When we conservatives, and specifically red states, are constantly being belittled as angry white men on this board, it absolutely does make a difference.
You're obviously male and even more obviously pretty angry, so at least 2/3 of the shoe fits.

I'm a female in a red state and an ultra-red county, surrounded by white men I love, who, like me, supported Obama. The stereotyping - ie you're a 60-year-old affluent white man in a red state, you must have voted for that loser Romney - gets old. But we're consoled by the fact that WE WON!

But you know what? If we had lost, we would not have succumbed to anger and bitterness. We know this because we lost in 2000 and 2004, and we dealt with it. Nicely, if I may say so myself.
If you don't want to be called an angry white man, don't be angry.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Boise
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obama also won blaine county in idaho where sun valley is, as well as Latah county where the university of idaho is. idaho is very small in population, but the growth is happening in and around ada county (boise) which was pretty swingish 52-48 for romney... almost half the population of idaho is in the boise valley.. while idaho is considered staunchly conservative, a small influx of growth has a huge impact.. it's been happening and the trend will be how denver switched colorado to a swing state.. so too will boise. it's chicken**** how they draw up districts too.. they split boise in half so as to have republican rural edges over the city population density. the key is growth!
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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You're obviously male and even more obviously pretty angry, so at least 2/3 of the shoe fits.
I apologize but I am responding to stupidity, how does one do that without showing a little contempt?

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I'm a female in a red state and an ultra-red county, surrounded by white men I love, who, like me, supported Obama. The stereotyping - ie you're a 60-year-old affluent white man in a red state, you must have voted for that loser Romney - gets old. But we're consoled by the fact that WE WON!
I understand that. So why do you put up with the crap from the northern liberals who think that you are a bunch of slack-jawed racists. Me? I'm a northern urban Republican, they don't seem to be able to stereotype me and the ironic thing is I spend a lot of time on this board defending southerners from them.

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But you know what? If we had lost, we would not have succumbed to anger and bitterness. We know this because we lost in 2000 and 2004, and we dealt with it. Nicely, if I may say so myself.
If you don't want to be called an angry white man, don't be angry.
Good for you that you took those losses so sublimely but don't kid yourself into thinking that the losses by the Democrats in 2000 and 2004 were taken with a grain of salt. Those losses were the beginning of the divisiveness that has consumed the political landscape for the last 12 years. A divisiveness that had not been seen since the Civil War.

BTW, the "angry white males" are not starting the nasty threads on the board, maybe you should think about that.
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