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Old 11-12-2012, 11:46 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Into believing that welfare is the reason for the fiscal cliff. If you are gonna spout, try educating yourselves first.
typical stupid liberal


who said anything about welfare

the problem is OVER SPENDING

then look at what has INCREASED since 2008
from 2008 to present:
defense spending has increased 16%....... 593b to 673b (16% in 4 years or an average of a 4% increase each year)
medicare spending has increase 29%....... 386b to 498b
medicaid spending has increased 44%..... 201b to 299b.....medicare/ciad makes up nearly 800 billion of our spending and is INCREASED big time each year
ss spending has increased 17% ........ 612B to 719b....by fy2015 it is projected to be 890 billion....for fy2017 breaks the trillion mark 1.007 trillion



cut ALL spending by at least 25%...and yes that means welfare and defense too
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Nice facts you posted to back up your spout....

Even though the fiscal cliff is not because of handouts....the people who abuse entitlements do not care to inform themselves of what is going on. They figure, it's not them...so why should they care?

And it's still a problem from a values standpoint... It does nothing but disincentivize people on the dole.
It really harms the states more than the federal government they are the ones who have to imprison the literal and figurative bastards produced by the welfare state.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:50 AM
 
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Republicans don't cut spending either. And there is a decidedly sharp tone towards the "poor people that want free stuff" ever since Obama won, actually ever since Romney's 47% remarks came out, which is the basis of my post. Even though a bunch of the 47% is elderly and students and such. Republicans should have went with Paul, dumb republicans would vote for whomever and independents that want spending cut might have gone for him.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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the problem is OVER SPENDING
Typical right wing ignorance. Spending actually only went up by an average of 1.6% per year which is the slowest rate of ANY President since Calvin Coolidge. The reason the deficit increased is because spending held steady while revenue went down as the bubble popped.

Facts, they're just never on the side of the right wing nut jobs.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:00 AM
 
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2008: $2.98 trillion
2009: $3.27 trillion
2010: $3.46 trillion
2011: $3.60 trillion
2012: $3.65 trillion
2013: $3.72 trillion
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:01 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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typical stupid liberal


who said anything about welfare

the problem is OVER SPENDING

then look at what has INCREASED since 2008
from 2008 to present:
defense spending has increased 16%....... 593b to 673b (16% in 4 years or an average of a 4% increase each year)
medicare spending has increase 29%....... 386b to 498b
medicaid spending has increased 44%..... 201b to 299b.....medicare/ciad makes up nearly 800 billion of our spending and is INCREASED big time each year
ss spending has increased 17% ........ 612B to 719b....by fy2015 it is projected to be 890 billion....for fy2017 breaks the trillion mark 1.007 trillion



cut ALL spending by at least 25%...and yes that means welfare and defense too

But the point is, why do many of the less informed republicans blame the poor for welfare spending while ignoring defense contractors and other areas such as oil subsides?
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Agreed.

Welfare is the reason Obama was reelected and nothing will be done to rein in spending.
Being educated is not a requirement for welfare eligibility. In spite of the programs that are offered to those on welfare to help them get off welfare, it is also not a requirement to utilize them.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:11 AM
 
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Typical right wing ignorance. Spending actually only went up by an average of 1.6% per year which is the slowest rate of ANY President since Calvin Coolidge. The reason the deficit increased is because spending held steady while revenue went down as the bubble popped.

Facts, they're just never on the side of the right wing nut jobs.
At the peak of the housing bubble revenues were $2,567,985,000,000. In 2011 outlays were $3,603,061,000,000.

In case you don't have a calculator handy that's a difference of $1,035,076,000,000.

Note that Obama's own OMB states that even with current law proceeding as planned (the Fiscal Cliff) Obama still plans on spending $600 billion more than we take in every year till the estimates stop in 2017. Obama's 2013 budget proposals are even worse than that and by 2017 the deficit would be nearly $900 billion.

Obama makes Bush look like a fiscal conservative.

Sorry but rain is in the forecast for today's parade and all of your other planned parades for at least 4 years. Maybe you should stop doing rain dances (snickers).
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:15 AM
 
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maybe the OP needs some education. we are running towards a cliff, and the power ellites are driving:

In a classic "divide and conquer" tactic, the State's Power Elites have sold a slew of new taxes to fund the guaranteed-to-implode "healthcare reform" (a.k.a. increased funding of sickcare cartels) on those earning $250,000 or more.


Everyone earning 25% of that sum loudly applauds "sticking it to the rich" (the Tyranny of the Majority in full flower) while failing to note that the truly wealthy--the ones who don't have any earned income because they don't work in salaried jobs, the ones who own roughly half the nation's productive assets--pay nothing but a slice of their unearned income, much of which is protected by various tax breaks.


The State is effectively operated as a fiefdom of the Financial Power Elites--and by that I mean the people earning not $300,000, but those earning $30 million or more annually-- that buys the complicity of the lower 60% with enough largesse to keep them supportive of the Status Quo.


In this facsimile democracy, citizenship has devolved to advocacy for a larger share of Federal government swag. The U.S. Status Quo rules via the second-order corruption of financial Aristocracy and Tyranny of the Majority.


there's more, and it's a good read today

charles hugh smith: writer/designer
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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2008: $2.98 trillion
2009: $3.27 trillion
2010: $3.46 trillion
2011: $3.60 trillion
2012: $3.65 trillion
2013: $3.72 trillion
That pretty much sums it up. Debate over. KUchief's the winner.

The spending has to stop. We're just digging a deeper and deeper hole. It would be one thing if the spending were helping us dig out of this recession by doing something novel, like CREATING jobs instead of implementing policies that are sure to cost jobs, but it isn't. We have NOTHING to show for it. At least when Regan increased spending, he did it to kick started the economy.

On the bright side, I can quit my job and have the nanny state take care of me. Not much sense in working hard when people hate you because you actually make money....the don't get the cause and effect here...work hare - make money.....
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