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Old 11-15-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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Yes, along with the expansion of the commerce clause.

I don't recall anyone stating welfare is the reason for the fiscal cliff...nice strawman.
lol, I was trying to think where I saw that-- I didn't.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:29 PM
 
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lol, I was trying to think where I saw that-- I didn't.
You've got to be kidding. That's the major takeaway the gop as a whole is pushing since the election - that we are past the tipping point because there are too many takers and not enough givers. That if only Romney had been elected, we could have saved the world, but now instead it will be the end of the world. Obamaphone this, 47% that, etc. Your main man O'Reilly stated it pretty plainly after the election and now everyone is on board.

Social Security and Medicare are 2 of the biggest line items on the budget. They are both for old people, and old people voted for Romney. So who is crying over their handouts now? Face it, you've been fooled. But don't feel bad, it's a political game, and now you know better. And knowing is half the battle.

As long as the 2 party system dominates, we will not have true spending reform. Neither party has the political will to make it happen, and we can easily and clearly see this by looking at history. So stop being a pawn in the game.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:40 PM
 
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"General Welfare" is the actual reason.




The bastardization of "General Welfare" more exactly.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:41 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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You've got to be kidding. That's the major takeaway the gop as a whole is pushing since the election - that we are past the tipping point because there are too many takers and not enough givers. That if only Romney had been elected, we could have saved the world, but now instead it will be the end of the world. Obamaphone this, 47% that, etc. Your main man O'Reilly stated it pretty plainly after the election and now everyone is on board.

Social Security and Medicare are 2 of the biggest line items on the budget. They are both for old people, and old people voted for Romney. So who is crying over their handouts now? Face it, you've been fooled. But don't feel bad, it's a political game, and now you know better. And knowing is half the battle.

As long as the 2 party system dominates, we will not have true spending reform. Neither party has the political will to make it happen, and we can easily and clearly see this by looking at history. So stop being a pawn in the game.

Here this might help you out for those that are a little reality-challenged


Mitt Romney hasn't learned a thing blaming election loss on 'gifts ...
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:45 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Yea, ask the Obamaphone lady. She will tell you.



Because they are producing. Welfare, all they do is stick their hands out for freebies.. that's why.
Producing? They can't produce anything if there is not areason to do so such as hmmmmmm, a war!
Truth be told those people on welfare are consistent spenders. Besides the middleclass they are a big reason why our economy runs.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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Producing? They can't produce anything if there is not areason to do so such as hmmmmmm, a war!
Truth be told those people on welfare are consistent spenders. Besides the middleclass they are a big reason why our economy runs.
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Policy changes that increased revenues would probably
affect the distribution of the tax burden, but the effects
would depend on the type of tax raised and the nature of
the increase. Raising income tax rates for higher-income
people would make the tax system more progressive. By
contrast, increasing most excise taxes—such as those
on tobacco or gasoline—would boost the relative tax
burdens of lower-income people, who tend to spend a
greater proportion of their income on those items.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...tion_print.pdf

The CBO was nice and left out alcohol, drugs and lottery tickets.

A while back they might have added in cable TV, cell phones and internet but since they now have "programs" to "help" with those items they no longer "desire" (let's face it, those are wants, not needs) to spend money (not their money at least) on those items.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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The conservative talking point of "freebies for the poor" is getting old, but I would be more inclined to believe it if the economy was booming and there were jobs out there that paid decent, but since that is not always the case why are you demonizing people that can't get a job?
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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2008: $2.98 trillion
2009: $3.27 trillion
2010: $3.46 trillion
2011: $3.60 trillion
2012: $3.65 trillion
2013: $3.72 trillion
Descetionary spending, the only spending which is not automatic and actually CAN be cut, only went up 1.6% per year. You're trying to count mandatory spending (SSI, Medicare, payment of the debt) which is retarded. Are you suggesting ANY politician would stop spending on SSI or medicare or default on the debt? More old people mean more people on SSI and medicare and THAT is a TOTALLY separate issue from ANYTHING a president can cut spending on.

Again, your ignorance on this issue knows no bounds.
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