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Old 11-13-2012, 08:15 AM
 
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After all, who are the evangelicals going to vote for? Democrats?
Actually, isn't that the point - where are they going to go? Like certain minority constituencies in the Democratic Party, the evangelical and loony fringe has nowhere else to go - so there's no point in catering to them or running "their" candidates.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:15 AM
 
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Good for him. He's 41 years young and is definitely more in touch with reality than those "old white men". the Republican party need a major overhaul.

His not having a comment on immigration: his parents immigrated to the US legally. They had no choice but to work and are probably very proud of their success and their son. I would venture a guess that he would look for immigration reform that benefits America - and that would only be through legal immigration and enforcing the law to the fullest extent where illegal immigrants are concerned and make changes so that the US would not be a desirable destination for people to gravitate towards illegally.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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Actually, isn't that the point - where are they going to go? Like certain minority constituencies in the Democratic Party, the evangelical and loony fringe has nowhere else to go - so there's no point in catering to them or running "their" candidates.
The problem is they are there in the presidential primary elections. No Gay-tolerant, military cutting, evolution believeing canididate can get past the evangelical wall in the primaries.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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I don't believe thats true. After all, who are the evangelicals going to vote for? Democrats?
They will vote to whoever their religious preachers asked them to. It won't be democrats, but it won't be republicans either if they turn libertarian. In other words, you might as well take them as "discouraged" poor little people. HOWEVER, there is ZERO chance of republicanism transforming into libertarianism. After the shock period, you will see use and abuse of the useful idiots that are "libertarians" until a few months to next major election. Then, it will be back to square one.

Think about it... how exactly did Romney end up being "Tea Party" candidate?

Think about it... how exactly did evangelicals show up to support a Mormon and in numbers that beat even 2004 elections?

The establishment can count on a few things, every time. And trust me, they will try to pander to just enough voters next time around, but with the same agenda and similar tactics.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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The problem is they are there in the presidential primary elections.
True - but parties can change their method of selecting a candidate. There has already been some distant rumbling about the damage being done to the GOP by its primaries, it wouldn't surprise me if there are changes before the next pres election.

I doubt this is entirely feasible, but the best solution for the GOP now would be to revert to the old elitist smoke-filled room and convention floor - let the leadership choose the leaders. The "democratic" primary system is clearly not working for the party.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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They will vote to whoever their religious preachers asked them to. It won't be democrats, but it won't be republicans either if they turn libertarian. In other words, you might as well take them as "discouraged" poor little people. HOWEVER, there is ZERO chance of republicanism transforming into libertarianism. After the shock period, you will see use and abuse of the useful idiots that are "libertarians" until a few months to next major election. Then, it will be back to square one.

Think about it... how exactly did Romney end up being "Tea Party" candidate?

Think about it... how exactly did evangelicals show up to support a Mormon and in numbers that beat even 2004 elections?

The establishment can count on a few things, every time. And trust me, they will try to pander to just enough voters next time around, but with the same agenda and similar tactics.
Are you referring to the useful idiots as the pseudo libertarians that are in the Republican Party or the true Libertarians whom are registered as such and actually adhere to real libertarian principles?
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Are you referring to the useful idiots as the pseudo libertarians that are in the Republican Party or the true Libertarians whom are registered as such and actually adhere to real libertarian principles?
All of them, pseudo or not. And that includes Ron Paul.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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Oh- Jeff, so budget cuts are never necessary when Governments are facing fiscal turmoil?

If you support Budget cuts that means you are dumbed down?
The real dumbed down are those who are brainwashed to believe GOvernment has the ability to provide next to everything for them.
Where did you extrapolate that hyperbole from? I stated that Jindal is talking about the "dumbing down" of the country out of one side of his mouth while cutting education out of the other. It is my firm belief that one of the last things to be cut from any state budget is education.

Can you identify a more important area of focus in our country today than a healthy educational system? People talk about an ignorant electorate. Well -- newsflash -- crappy schools aren't going to help that issue, are they?

There are plenty of areas that could be cut and I would be completely fine with.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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All of them, pseudo or not. And that includes Ron Paul.
Well I See how the Paulities and the Michelle Bachman "libertarians" are useful idiots but not those who are truly part of the party and have absolutely no connection to the Republican party.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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Well I See how the Paulities and the Michelle Bachman "libertarians" are useful idiots but not those who are truly part of the party and have absolutely no connection to the Republican party.
They don't have to be a part of the republican party. They simply need to be there to agree with republicanism, on occasions that demands it.
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