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Old 11-14-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What you libertarians don't understand is that your platform leaves so many openings to be manipulated in the way Obama would have seen fit, he would have Ron Paul playing defense the entire time. He would be spending all his time defending the racist newsletters, his comments about voting against the 1964 CRA, a platform that is ok with racial discrimination, ending medicare, medicaid, entitlements, and SS. Leaving the poor on the streets, eliminating the department of education, and that's just the start. He would get crushed on foreign policy alone. Besides the fact that I completely disagree with your platform in general, Obama or whoever runs in 2016 can distort, manipulate, invent whatever they want about libertarians and there would no way you guys could defend any of it.
You missed the republican elections. Any of that stuff work against him?

Foreign Policy alone? You made that up of course. Why would anyone want to get us further in debt, in order to make us less safe?

When people make things up, as you did on his positions in this post, the truth comes out. It is very easy to defend against the lies when your record is consistent and honorable. That is something Obama cannot do. He lacks both characteristics.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What do republicans always accuse democrats of, playing the race card. Obama and the liberal media would have Ron Paul look like the guy who started the KKK. We made mitt romney look like the devil, by the time obama would have been done with Ron Paul, he would be wishing he was only painted as a devil.
Nope. It didn't work when the media tried to make it a story before.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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And that was the year he tore up his calendar and threw it away. He was running on nothing but ancient, no-win ideas. There was a lot about his social agenda I thought was OK, but far too much of his other stuff was neither practical nor achievable.
The habitual habit his followers had of calling people 'sheeple' hurt him badly. People think for themselves. Calling them names does not win them over in an argument. Paul was a lot more agreeable and pleasant than his fans.
What ancient, no win ideas? The one that would have prevented our economic collapse or the one that would have prevented 9/11. Or following the constitution? Is that an ancient idea?
I expect posters to back up claims with facts. That would mean they think for themselves and not repeat media garbage. When it doesn't happen, it's not surprising. How can they back up the absurd statement that successful policies are bad?
Failed policies seems to be the flavor of the day for the big government supporters. Hows the recovery going? Are we out of the never ending wars in the Middle East yet.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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The truth
Whenever I see a post that starts with "the truth," I know that it isn't.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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All true!
The only truth is the ability of some to wear blinders while the economy collapses, our military personnel are killed while making us less safe, and making the latest generation being the first to have a bleaker outlook than their parents.
It's time you owned you failures. Its time to admit the mistakes of the past has caught up with we the people and destroyed prosperity. Anyone thinking doing more of the same though really isn't thinking clearly.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This leads me to another reason why libertarians couldn't win. They see no weaknesses in their platform. They think its so pure and that there wouldn't any reason for somebody to criticize it. Just the race card alone would bury Ron Paul because they have no defense for it.
The inability to discuss the issues is a result of the failed policies the deniers back. So instead make things up and throw mud to see if anything sticks.
Look around, who is winning now? Besides the 1 percent and the members in Congress. You're not winning. Unless you think high unemployment, low wages, and lack of company benefits is a good thing.

Next time, instead of falsely testifying for something else, get your own house in order first. It's always a good idea to have your own house in order using successful policies as it will add credence. I'm not saying you'll do that, since of course the policies you follow are proven failures, I'm just saying it's a good thing to do.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Ok no1brownsfan, since you're to lazy to do your own research here is one example out of many... This guy is off is rocker...


Ron Paul talks about secession... in front of the Confederate Flag - YouTube
LMAO you didn't even watch the video YOU posted. What did he say that was off?
Was it this "The issue of leaving is the key to deciding if we live in a free society" ?????
This is like taking candy from a baby.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:28 PM
 
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The inability to discuss the issues is a result of the failed policies the deniers back. So instead make things up and throw mud to see if anything sticks.
Oh for god's sake, we've discussed Ron Paul/Libertarian/Austrian policies for more than two years. Folks are tired of having to rewrite the same arguments over and over and over again.

Paul lost, and no matter how much wisha, coulda shoulda is going to change the fact that he didn't.

Give it a rest because we all need one.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Oh for god's sake, we've discussed Ron Paul/Libertarian/Austrian policies for more than two years. Folks are tired of having to rewrite the same arguments over and over and over again.
Not on this forum. What is said are mainly cheerleader rah rah comments with no substance. Every once in awhile there will be posters who do discuss policy but more often than not they make things up about that policy.
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Paul lost, and no matter how much wisha, coulda shoulda is going to change the fact that he didn't.
No ones really saying you can change the past. Just that if you repeat the failures of the past, you are doomed.
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Give it a rest because we all need one.
Give freedom and liberty a rest? Sorry sport those are things you have to always fight for. People try to take them away.
One thing is for sure we the people do need a rest. A rest from the the control freaks that try to run our daily lives using tactics to silence the ones who wont bow down.
Why listen to you? You've been wrong too often and the results are horrific.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:41 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Paul lost, and no matter how much wisha, coulda shoulda is going to change the fact that he didn't.

Give it a rest because we all need one.
NO candidate losing should EVER mean that the issues should no longer be discussed. I can guarantee you that just because the Republicans lost this election doesn't mean they are going to stop discussing the issues that are important to them.

And the issues Paul stands for happen to be ABOUT American freedom and American fiscal soundness. THOSE issues are worth discussing. What do you have against the idea of government staying out of people's personal choices? What do you have against the idea of not bankrupting America trying to run a global military empire?
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