U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 11-28-2012, 12:26 PM
 
48,519 posts, read 81,246,246 times
Reputation: 17979

Advertisements

Ron Paul had one rpoblem ; lack of voter support like all who lose.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-28-2012, 01:04 PM
 
3,421 posts, read 2,499,174 times
Reputation: 1238
EconomicPolicyJournal.com: An Open Letter to Libertarians: Don't Be Fooled By Rand Paul

all you need to know about why Ron Paul or an libertarian will never win. The article is actually about Rand Paul, but here was the passage about trying to sell libertarianism to the country:

If you want to become president, you have one thing in mind, you need to get to 50.1% If you hold libertarian views and run on those views you are not going to be president. I dare anyone to run on completely libertarian principles and believe they are going to win. Go ahead. Tell voters you are in favor of legalizing heroin and LSD. Tell them that the U.S. government should default on its debt and relieve taxpayers of the burden. Tell them you want to end welfare and food stamps. Tell them you want to end the DEA, TSA, FDA, DOE, FAA, SEC, CFTC and the rest of the government alphabet soup agencies.

Tell them you want to end medicare. Tell them you don't want to fight Muslims, or anyone else, anymore. Go ahead, see how far you are going to get. As I have stated before, there is nothing wrong with running, as long as you stick to principles and lose. It can be a method of spreading libertarian views. Winning, given the current voter climate, is when you become suspect.

You think can convince 50.1 percent of the people to buy into your draconian platform?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-28-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
32,690 posts, read 17,750,910 times
Reputation: 18776
Default Ron Paul was the only one who could have defeated Obama

Pull-EEZ!

Ron Paul wasn't even running for president.

He was on a PR campaign to build name recogition for his no-count son.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-28-2012, 02:49 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
15,908 posts, read 9,671,120 times
Reputation: 7449
Quote:
Originally Posted by nighttrain55 View Post
EconomicPolicyJournal.com: An Open Letter to Libertarians: Don't Be Fooled By Rand Paul

all you need to know about why Ron Paul or an libertarian will never win. The article is actually about Rand Paul, but here was the passage about trying to sell libertarianism to the country:

If you want to become president, you have one thing in mind, you need to get to 50.1% If you hold libertarian views and run on those views you are not going to be president. I dare anyone to run on completely libertarian principles and believe they are going to win. Go ahead. Tell voters you are in favor of legalizing heroin and LSD. Tell them that the U.S. government should default on its debt and relieve taxpayers of the burden. Tell them you want to end welfare and food stamps. Tell them you want to end the DEA, TSA, FDA, DOE, FAA, SEC, CFTC and the rest of the government alphabet soup agencies.

Tell them you want to end medicare. Tell them you don't want to fight Muslims, or anyone else, anymore. Go ahead, see how far you are going to get. As I have stated before, there is nothing wrong with running, as long as you stick to principles and lose. It can be a method of spreading libertarian views. Winning, given the current voter climate, is when you become suspect.

You think can convince 50.1 percent of the people to buy into your draconian platform?

Personal responsibilty, ending wars, which includes ending the drug war that is a massive failure, as well as fiscal responsibility, such as cutting spending, is draconian? Wow, who knew?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-28-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
2,080 posts, read 1,376,360 times
Reputation: 437
To the welfare babies it is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-28-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
15,908 posts, read 9,671,120 times
Reputation: 7449
Quote:
Originally Posted by RebelYell14 View Post
To the welfare babies it is.

Let's not forget the big corporations who love them some bailouts at the taxpayer's expense, and the Military Industrial Complex.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
1,991 posts, read 3,405,082 times
Reputation: 891
Quote:
Originally Posted by no1brownsfan View Post
Personal responsibilty, ending wars, which includes ending the drug war that is a massive failure, as well as fiscal responsibility, such as cutting spending, is draconian? Wow, who knew?
As a Paul fan, those things you mention aren't draconian, but ENDING those various government agencies is. Ending the Department of Education, for example, (as opposed to revamping it to maximize its return) means America choosing NOT to invest in education, which that investment is the single biggest thing which will help us be globally competitive in the future. I live in the South, and as much as the South talks about small government and being against redistribution, if we did not get more money than we put into the federal pot, and had only to depend on failing state budgets, our already awful schools would be completely in the toilet.

Paul's general concept of cutting is correct, it's just how far he goes WITH the concept that is draconian. And that's not even getting into his idea of just letting the banks and auto businesses fail and the system work itself out. We would be going through the second great depression right now if Paul's policies had been implemented. Paul has good themes, but he goes too far on the proposed implementation. And I voted for the man twice.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
1,991 posts, read 3,405,082 times
Reputation: 891
Quote:
Originally Posted by no1brownsfan View Post
Let's not forget the big corporations who love them some bailouts at the taxpayer's expense, and the Military Industrial Complex.
^^^THIS

Mitt talked about 47% of American citizens, but defense contractors are some of the biggest government moochers around. The 47% don't have anything on them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
15,908 posts, read 9,671,120 times
Reputation: 7449
Quote:
Originally Posted by MantaRay View Post
As a Paul fan, those things you mention aren't draconian, but ENDING those various government agencies is. Ending the Department of Education, for example, (as opposed to revamping it to maximize its return) means America choosing NOT to invest in education, which that investment is the single biggest thing which will help us be globally competitive in the future. I live in the South, and as much as the South talks about small government and being against redistribution, if we did not get more money than we put into the federal pot, and had only to depend on failing state budgets, our already awful schools would be completely in the toilet.

Paul's general concept of cutting is correct, it's just how far he goes WITH the concept that is draconian. And that's not even getting into his idea of just letting the banks and auto businesses fail and the system work itself out. We would be going through the second great depression right now if Paul's policies had been implemented. Paul has good themes, but he goes too far on the proposed implementation. And I voted for the man twice.

Well, considering IF Paul were to become president, he'd still have to deal with Congress. So, there obviously has to be some sort of compromise. Paul knows he can't eliminate social security and welfare overnight. There is no way in HELL that would fly! But it certainly needs reformed, and if I'm paying into something like SS that I was forced to pay into since I started working at 16 and it isn't going to be there when I retire, then I want my money back. As for being a non-interventionalist, ending the drug war, and stopping the corporate welfare, I'm all for that! But again, having to deal with Congress, and knowing that those who pander to lobbyists and special interest groups it would be hard. Still, people like Ron Paul, and Gary Johnson are a breath of fresh air compared to the same ole same ole that we have right now in DC.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-29-2012, 12:54 PM
 
9,312 posts, read 5,598,288 times
Reputation: 4632
Quote:
Originally Posted by MantaRay View Post
^^^THIS

Mitt talked about 47% of American citizens, but defense contractors are some of the biggest government moochers around. The 47% don't have anything on them.
Exactly. Welfare and bailouts and sweet tax deals for me (and all my big corporate buddies), but not for thee.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top