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Old 11-14-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: NJ
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. That is what being a Republican is all about.

Lately, it is about writing nice concession speeches when running for POTUS.

Agendas, beliefs, etc mean nada when one loses all the time. Romney's beliefs and a buck will get one an item off a MCD's Value menu.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Lately, it is about writing nice concession speeches when running for POTUS.

Agendas, beliefs, etc mean nada when one loses all the time. Romney's beliefs and a buck will get one an item off a MCD's Value menu.
Because Republicans won't nominate a true conservative. Obama won because real Americans did not show up last week. They stayed home because Romney did not excite them. If Republicans misread this message and take a left turn, they are chasing votes that are going to go to Democrats. Republicans need to find their conservative soul again and live by it. That means a presidential candidate who represents their views and not a phony, transparent liberal like McCain or Romney. The makers can take back their country from the takers if a true conservative heads the ticket.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:31 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Kind of funny, but the last 2 presidential candidates pretty much followed exactly what you stated, were "moderates", and by your definition, should have won by landslide.

McCain was big on amnesty for illegal aliens, Romney instituted government mandated health care in Mass.
Both gave lip service to preserving the life of babies in the womb, but have never really been activists supporting the right to life.

Maybe the Republicans should try conservatism next time and nominate someone who stands for something instead of pandering to the left?
That's right, let's double down on a losing hand, shall we?
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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I'm not sure why the OP is a Republican at all. The positions espoused in the OP are much more in line with Democrats.
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Obama won because real Americans did not show up last week.
Oh here we go, back to the divisive "real America" BS again. Haven't seen that language pop up in a while. Do tell us, who are the "real Americans"? And who exactly are the fake Americans? (This is somewhat rhetorical, as we all know exactly who "real Americans" refers to.)

Do you really not get that labeling anyone who disagrees with you as a freeloader, a taker, and not even a real American is not going to win over anyone?
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:43 AM
 
Location: NJ
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[quote=Ponderosa;26946324]Because Republicans won't nominate a true conservative. Obama won because "


the GOP got killed amongst women and Latinos.

A true conservative would lose 40 plus states.

We are not a conservative nation, we are a moderate nation.

MR did best in polls when he portrayed himself in Denver as moderate.

Conservatives are America's SMALLEST voting block(27% or so of the nation-that leaves 73% OUT for the math challenged!!). By themselves, they lose. Romney won them by the same margin RR did, Romney won whites by same margin as RR. Since RR, the GOP has failed to evolve to changing demographics. You may bury your head in the sand, but don't complain about the results than, as you are part of the problem.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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I'm not sure why the OP is a Republican at all. The positions espoused in the OP are much more in line with Democrats.
Oh here we go, back to the divisive "real America" BS again. Haven't seen that language pop up in a while. Do tell us, who are the "real Americans"? And who exactly are the fake Americans? (This is

American Indians are the only ones who should ever use that term.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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Maybe the Republicans should try conservatism next time and nominate someone who stands for something instead of pandering to the left?
The Conservatism you speak of is a failure in every country on Earth that attempts it. Why do you think a political candidate who was just crushed in what should have been the easiest win in US history because he pandered to conservatives and the religious right should have been more conservative?
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:53 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I was devastated, but not surprised at all, by Obama's win last week. I posted this the day after and I stand by it:

There needs to be new Republican leadership and it needs to acknowledge and accept some new realities.
  • The American People do not trust Wall Street. Stop trying to hand Social Security and Medicare over to them.
  • You can't run on a platform that strives to regulate who people can marry and what women can do with their bodies, but wants to allow corporations(who you also view as people) to be free to do whatever they feel like.
  • People as a whole do not want religion, any religion, governing policy.
  • Not every minority is here illegally, and not all illegals are devoid of value to our society.
  • Science and information is real. Use it, don't deny it. If it contradicts your worldview, change your worldview.
  • Ayn Rand was a sociopath.

That being said, we as conservatives cannot win the country without espousing concrete detailed ideas on how to fix the nations problems. Entitlement spending needs to be drastically reduced, but how do we provide those receiving entitlements a path to self-reliance and prosperity? How do we encourage entrepreneurship in economically under-developed areas?
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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Because Republicans won't nominate a true conservative.
Conservatism does not fly in the 1st World. Anyone who even attempts to go more conservative will lose.

You sound like you'd prefer a place like Saudi Arabia where archaic tradition and Conservatism are strongly supported by the ruling elite.
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