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Old 11-20-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Chris Christie/Kelly Ayotte (R)
Andrew Cuomo/Elizabeth Warren (D)

I chose these 4 candidates for a few reasons. I feel the far-left may try to elect a very liberal candidate in 2016, and I feel Cuomo is more liberal than Hilary.
Andrew Cuomo? I don't think so.
Cuomo the Conservative | National Review Online
Is Cuomo the Conservative Democrat in 2016?
Andrew Cuomo, fake Democrat - Salon.com

Clinton may not be every liberal's dream, but Cuomo certainly isn't the liberal answer to her.

And anyway, Cuomo's power base is New York. If Clinton runs, he loses that base of support, which is why he's made it clear that he won't run if she runs, making the entire idea of him being the 'liberal' alternative to her moot in any case.
Report: Cuomo won't run if Clinton does | TheHill

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Christie will squeak by for the GOP nomination, thanks to grabbing alot of delegates in northern states. I'm probably not going to vote for Christie in the GOP primary in 2016 (things could change though) but I feel he has the best shot to win the nomination.
What 'northern states'? Is Iowa your definition of a northern state? It chose Santorum in 2012 and Huckabee in 2008.

Here were the first nine caucus/primary states in 2012:
IA, NH, SC, FL, NV, CO, MO, MN, ME

New Hampshire should be a place where Christie can compete. Iowa? I wouldn't bet on it. South Carolina? Good luck. Florida? Not if Bush runs. And, typically, a nomination race is effectively all but over by that point. And even though there are two states among the next five from the north, the other three states have twice as many delegates. I'm not saying Christie won't be the nominee; along with Santorum and Bush, I put him among the three most likely GOP nominees at this point. But if he does get the nomination, it won't be by winning a bunch of northern states.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: southern california
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a woman president. we will become more left not more right as has france. the desperate attempt to hang on to the good life in the face of massive debt and massive immigration will leave us no other choice just like france.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Swansea, Massachusetts
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Andrew Cuomo? I don't think so.
Cuomo the Conservative | National Review Online
Is Cuomo the Conservative Democrat in 2016?
Andrew Cuomo, fake Democrat - Salon.com

Clinton may not be every liberal's dream, but Cuomo certainly isn't the liberal answer to her.

And anyway, Cuomo's power base is New York. If Clinton runs, he loses that base of support, which is why he's made it clear that he won't run if she runs, making the entire idea of him being the 'liberal' alternative to her moot in any case.
Report: Cuomo won't run if Clinton does | TheHill



What 'northern states'? Is Iowa your definition of a northern state? It chose Santorum in 2012 and Huckabee in 2008.

Here were the first nine caucus/primary states in 2012:
IA, NH, SC, FL, NV, CO, MO, MN, ME

New Hampshire should be a place where Christie can compete. Iowa? I wouldn't bet on it. South Carolina? Good luck. Florida? Not if Bush runs. And, typically, a nomination race is effectively all but over by that point. And even though there are two states among the next five from the north, the other three states have twice as many delegates. I'm not saying Christie won't be the nominee; along with Santorum and Bush, I put him among the three most likely GOP nominees at this point. But if he does get the nomination, it won't be by winning a bunch of northern states.
I'm not a Democrat, so I wasn't aware that liberals viewed Cuomo as a moderate.
Christie will have slow start to the primaries, he will probably lose Iowa, South Carolina, Missouri and Florida.

But he is probably going to win the whole Northeast, has a good shot at Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, etc.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I'm not a Democrat, so I wasn't aware that liberals viewed Cuomo as a moderate.
Christie will have slow start to the primaries, he will probably lose Iowa, South Carolina, Missouri and Florida.

But he is probably going to win the whole Northeast, has a good shot at Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, etc.
Interesting: it was pointed out last night; normally the candidate with the lead this early does not go on the win the nomination. That would take some research to verify but just from thinking back, I would probably agree. If this is the case, you can count Christie out. Yes, he will do well in the No East, but it will take more than that to give him a shot.
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Old 11-21-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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Why do people think Christie will lose South Carolina? Before the Newt Gingrich tirade against John King, Romney was in the lead in SC. And in no way was he the 'conservative' candidate, no matter how 'severely conservative' he claimed to be. The GOP in South Carolina is nowhere near 'conservative' (especially on social issues) as they are in, say, Alabama.
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Old 11-21-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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Interesting: it was pointed out last night; normally the candidate with the lead this early does not go on the win the nomination. That would take some research to verify but just from thinking back, I would probably agree. If this is the case, you can count Christie out. Yes, he will do well in the No East, but it will take more than that to give him a shot.
I am going to stand by a prediction I made a few years ago. The next President will either be a Clinton or a Bush.
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Old 11-21-2013, 05:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ted Cruz and Allen West vs. Elisabeth Warren and Nancy Pelosi.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:02 PM
 
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I want Christie vs. Hillary because I wouldn't be heartbroken to see Christie win. I would infinitely prefer Hillary, but Christie > any other Republican.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:05 PM
 
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I'm not a Democrat, so I wasn't aware that liberals viewed Cuomo as a moderate.
Christie will have slow start to the primaries, he will probably lose Iowa, South Carolina, Missouri and Florida.

But he is probably going to win the whole Northeast, has a good shot at Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, etc.
Cuomo is a moderate, he has never been a liberal. Until recently, he had a majority of New York Republicans approving of his governorship. He has been really tough with unions, although all recent governors except Spitzer have been. But Cuomo's star has been fading amongst ALL New Yorkers in the past year. I see him being re-elected (though Rob Astorino is a dark horse on the Republican side if he chooses to run) but he has no chance at 2016. I doubt Cuomo would win the New York primary against Clinton.
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Andrew Cuomo? I don't think so.
Cuomo the Conservative | National Review Online
Is Cuomo the Conservative Democrat in 2016?
Andrew Cuomo, fake Democrat - Salon.com

Clinton may not be every liberal's dream, but Cuomo certainly isn't the liberal answer to her.
Cuomo is indeed more liberal than Clinton.

One of your links claims Cuomo is conservative because he cut taxes. That argument plays along the lines simply claiming anyone left of center is against tax cuts and that just isnt true. You can cut taxes as long as you cut waist and spending and if it will actually raise revenue, we just believe conservatives dont do that when they are in power, and we dont believe all situations will result in more revenue. Look at 2007 and 2008

your second link is a complete lie, the source material it uses to make its claim in no way claims Cuomo is a conservative, it doesnt even rank ideology as the short article claims, it ranks approval ratings among dems in the respective candidates home states.

At this point, i am seriously starting to think you just heard someone call him a conservative int he past an then googled " Andrew Cuomo, Conservative" and posted what ever you saw.

the 3rd link has a misleading title. It never claims he is conservative either, it actually just says he isnt a progressive, which makes liberals like myself happy.
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