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Old 11-16-2012, 10:35 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I guess he was so arrogant in thinking it would be a slam dunk to him, guess that is what happens when you have people around you not willing to tell you the truth or he heard it and they told him but he just didn't give a damn.
I agree.

I think it had everything to do with his arrogance and his ego and his (and Ann's) attitude of "entitlement" - that somehow the presidency and the White House was "owed" to them, that it was "their turn."

 
Old 11-17-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Lightbulb hmm...

Attitude reflects leadership.

Trickle down in this regard, does apply.
 
Old 11-17-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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This election would make a great b-school case study. It was very representative of different corporate strategies that lead to success and failure. Honestly, I had little appreciation (as a genuine Independent) for the Obama campaign. I found it more "touchy-feely" than quantitatively analytical. But the Obama campaign proved that what we achieve as a society is just an enumeration (positive and negative) of what we accomplish individually. In some ways, that's truly ironic, given the Republican propensity for Individualism over Collectivism. It seems to me that every volunteer in the Obama campaign took ownership for the election of their candidate, while the Republicans were waiting for - wait for it - trickle-down directives!

If you were given a Billion Dollars to start and run a company, would you fare better than Mitt Romney?
 
Old 11-17-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Why 11 backend database servers and only 1 web? If server capacity was the bottleneck, perhaps scalable cloud servers would help. Now ORCA is nowhere near the complexity and capability of the Obama campaign's Project Narwhal but the ORCA folks should have planned for demand spikes.

When the Nerds Go Marching In - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic

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"We worked through every possible disaster situation," Reed said. "We did three actual all-day sessions of destroying everything we had built."

Mark Trammell, an engineer who Reed hired after he left Twitter, saw a couple game days. He said they reminded him of his time in the Navy. "You ran firefighting drills over and over and over, to make sure that you not just know what you're doing," he said, "but you're calm because you know you can handle your ****."

The team had elite and, for tech, senior talent -- by which I mean that most of them were in their 30s -- from Twitter, Google, Facebook, Craigslist, Quora, and some of Chicago's own software companies such as Orbitz and Threadless, where Reed had been CTO. But even these people, maybe *especially* these people, knew enough about technology not to trust it. "I think the Republicans ****ed up in the hubris department," Reed told me. "I know we had the best technology team I've ever worked with, but we didn't know if it would work. I was incredibly confident it would work. I was betting a lot on it. We had time. We had resources. We had done what we thought would work, and it still could have broken. Something could have happened."

In fact, the day after the October 21 game day, Amazon services -- on which the whole campaign's tech presence was built -- went down. "We didn't have any downtime because we had done that scenario already," Reed said. Hurricane Sandy hit on another game day, October 29, threatening the campaign's whole East Coast infrastructure. "We created a hot backup of all our applications to US-west in preparation for US-east to go down hard," Reed said.

"We knew what to do," Reed maintained, no matter what the scenario was. "We had a runbook that said if this happens, you do this, this, and this. They did not do that with Orca."
This is how things are done. Take nothing for granted.
 
Old 11-17-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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Why 11 backend database servers and only 1 web? If server capacity was the bottleneck, perhaps scalable cloud servers would help. Now ORCA is nowhere near the complexity and capability of the Obama campaign's Project Narwhal but the ORCA folks should have planned for demand spikes.

When the Nerds Go Marching In - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic

This is how things are done. Take nothing for granted.
Yup. Professionals.

Fun fact from the article: Romney's team picked the name ORCA because the Orca is the Narwhal's only predator. Hubris, anyone?
 
Old 11-17-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Serves Romney right. He even outsourced the creation of the Orca program to an Indian firm. This was the guy who was going to create 12 million jobs? Actions speak louder than words.
 
Old 11-17-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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Why 11 backend database servers and only 1 web? If server capacity was the bottleneck, perhaps scalable cloud servers would help. Now ORCA is nowhere near the complexity and capability of the Obama campaign's Project Narwhal but the ORCA folks should have planned for demand spikes.

When the Nerds Go Marching In - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic

This is how things are done. Take nothing for granted.
How hard is it to erect a top-notch platform these days? Seriously. Every Fortune 500 company (and surely Romney himself knows more than a few CEO's of such personally) has a modern data center with production servers, staging servers, training servers, backup servers. Networks with primary links, multilinks, backup links, tunnels. Mirroring of critical systems. Extensive disaster-recovery plans.

I work in such a data center in a large (but not huge -- for example, not as big as Boston, Romney's home turf) metropolitan area, and even in my modest metro area we have numerous such corporations. And many of our various programmers and support staff have floated between these corporations during their careers. No one is inventing the wheel here -- this technology and its application is standard and transferable.

There is no acceptable excuse for the Romney not to have been on par, or at the very least close to par, with the Obama campaign on this. None.

Sounds like the Romney campaign's IT staff was about as on the ball as its internal pollsters...
 
Old 11-17-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Orca's failure can't be blamed just on Romney, but Romney picked his advisors and the crew that was to run orca.I think the problems with the software were several: it may not have been field tested enough, there was a top-down lack of training. so the field workers had to go upstream to get answers, and there weren't nearly enough people in the home office who were dedicated to answering the fields questions.
It's my understanding that it wasn't tested at all. There is simply no excuse for that.

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The whole thing was up and down. Obama's software might have not been as powerful, but his organization operated sideways as well as up and down. If someone needed help, help could be found in the office of a neighboring state, not the central office.

A big part of the fatal flaws were generational; Romney's voluteers took orders from above, and Obama's volunteers grouped up and solved problems from the field, using the top office much less. Today's youth are group joiners, not individuals who compete with each other
Today's youth are competitive. The ones volunteering for the Obama campaign were certainly competitive or they wouldn't have been volunteering. Politics is akin to sports in the competitiveness aspect. It's also naive to assume that only old geyzers were Romney volunteers/workers or that only the young were Obama volunteers/workers.

Also, most of the Romney campaign efforts were fairly decentralized, much more so than the Obama campaign efforts. Except for ORCA.

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Everything was exacerbated by the conservative echo chamber. By believing what they chose to believe over the facts, the delusion that they were ahead made everything all the worse.
And there certainly is/was a liberal echo chamber as well. Their internal polls were not delusional so much as they were wishful thinking. It seems they made a simple calculation that they would be able to get all the Republican base out (or that they would come out with little prodding), but that Obama would not be able to get his base out. Keep in mind that they won independents. They thought they were good to go as long as they did that.

The other thing to point out is that, even when looking at public polling, Romney was ahead in October nationally following the first debate and was also ahead at least for awhile in VA, CO, NH, and FL (even on the day of the election he was still ahead in FL). Really things started slipping away from Romney in the public polls just in the last week before the election. I have no idea when the internal polls I read about were conducted, but they were leaked the Sunday before the election. They could have been several days old. They still apparently thought they were winning on the day of the election. I suppose they could have stopped conducting their internal polls a week before the election or so. That would be asinine, but with this campaign it wouldn't surprise me.

They also apparently made a calculation that undecideds would break heavily for Romney. It seems that undecideds who chose at the last minute actually broke for Obama for the most part, if public polling (including exit polling) is to be believed. Historically, the undecideds have more often broken for challengers than for incumbents. But they had no guarantee they would. So, again, I think it's a case of wishful thinking.
 
Old 11-17-2012, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Don't be too hard on mittens, "strike list" based GOTV on election day are a crap shoot. Chances of success and increased turnout are minor. My guess is their best efforts wouldn't have added 1/2% to their total anywhere. R's don't need prodding to vote like dems do.
Well, given that Romney didn't get even as many votes as McCain in Ohio (and I don't think even Obama got as many votes this year there as McCain did in 2008 so they had a very big opportunity there), I think that's one state where they had a big problem with GOTV. I also believe that turnout among whites was down in most of the swing states. Who were those voters more likely to vote for?

The Obama campaign did a masterful job of suppressing certain votes in some states. I am not using the term "suppression" to imply that corrupt or illegal tactics were used. I am simply pointing out they did a good job, through anti-Romney ads, of getting people who were never going to vote for them to not vote for Romney either. They saw Romney's weaknesses and used them. That's what a good campaign does. Romney and his campaign didn't do even remotely near enough to counteract their efforts. That was their responsibility. I think they thought that certain voters, primarily blue collar whites, hated Obama so much they could be counted on to turn out to vote against him no matter what - even if they thought he was an evil, greedy multi-millioniare vulture capitalist who didn't give a sh*t about them, even if they thought he was a liberal on social issues as some did when they are socially conservative, etc. It was their job to get these people to vote for Romney and they dropped the ball.
 
Old 11-17-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Well, given that Romney didn't get even as many votes as McCain in Ohio (and I don't think even Obama got as many votes this year there as McCain did in 2008 so they had a very big opportunity there), I think that's one state where they had a big problem with GOTV. I also believe that turnout among whites was down in most of the swing states. Who were those voters more likely to vote for?

The Obama campaign did a masterful job of suppressing certain votes in some states. I am not using the term "suppression" to imply that corrupt or illegal tactics were used. I am simply pointing out they did a good job, through anti-Romney ads, of getting people who were never going to vote for them to not vote for Romney either. They saw Romney's weaknesses and used them. That's what a good campaign does. Romney and his campaign didn't do even remotely near enough to counteract their efforts. That was their responsibility. I think they thought that certain voters, primarily blue collar whites, hated Obama so much they could be counted on to turn out to vote against him no matter what - even if they thought he was an evil, greedy multi-millioniare vulture capitalist who didn't give a sh*t about them, even if they thought he was a liberal on social issues as some did when they are socially conservative, etc. It was their job to get these people to vote for Romney and they dropped the ball.
Mittens is mittens, if GOP voters were suppressed it was mittens that did that. Not providing tax returns, not defining his policies, not specifying what deductions he was eliminating, not talking to the media, not talking to working America, not talking to minorities and that 47%. I have dozens of R friends, a good percentage of them confided in me that they weren't going to vote for mittens for many of the reasons above. Running for prez isn't "Let's Make a Deal", ppl do want to know what is behind curtain number two.

As for Obama's ads suppressing GOP voters, didn't five years of the Muslim Kenyan born socialist crap do the same thing? Why would negative ads only affect R's? The right, the GOP, the superpacs and mittens campaign spent about three times as much money as Obama and the left did on ads, why wouldn't that suppress dems three times as much?

Was Obama's grassroots campaign better? hell yeah. Did OFA make 8 times the data mining calls as mittens? Yep. Did Obama's campaign outperform mittens? Yep, at every level. It wasn't even close, we worked our butts off for Obama. My last two days were a blur, I was going all out the last 48 hours an hour sleep here a nap there.

The local GOP HQ??? They were dark most of the last week. While we have dozens of ppl on the move opening up 12 staging locations and four offices at 4:30AM on election morning they were asleep. I visited about 30 precincts on election day and saw one GOP guy working an old fashion strike list and heard there were two ppl trying to make the app work at another.

Where we beat mittens wasn't on election day, we beat him in the early voting game. We got our base out of the way early and were able to work deeper and more intensely into our universe. We dint have as many ppl to search for on election day because we knew who voted. And because we were doing a full out GOTV operation for weeks election day was just another day, we were experienced, our software and hardware were "stress tested" for weeks.

I know I've had some fun with this photo, but it really is the OFA paid staffers in Ohio. There had a huge team and an even bigger volunteer base.

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