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Old 11-21-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I think someone already stated that the GOP's base would abandon the party if it became more minority-friendly. Does anyone remember the Republican Primary debate where Newt Gingrich called Obama "the biggest food stamp President in history" and CNN's panel of viewers all started mashing their dials? These are people who believe that their lives would be better if 97% of racial minorities suddenly disappeared. They would be outraged if the GOP tried to be more inclusive.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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She's right in the sense that the govt forgoes taxing your contributions to a 401k, how nice of them. Also just because you don't have a HUD home or loan does not mean you do not benefit from govt intervention in mortgage markets. The ability of banks to off load mortgages onto the FHA makes mortgages more available and cheaper to consumers.
Yes, it is incentive or the government will take more money. I would prefer less tax and save on my own. If it was not there people would just change how they do things. The fact that the government incentives people to save money is NOT welfare. As far as housing, if the government was not involved housing prices would be lower and we wouldn't have had the housing collapse. All the government does is cause problems when they get involved.

either way, try to say that I am dependent on the government is wrong. People on welfare ARE TAKERS and they do not help anyone when they take that money.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Sigh.

Or maybe he could have tried to be more inclusive? How's that for an idea?
It'll never work for Blacks, most are a lost cause, hopelessly mired in grievance and socialism. Folks act like Mitt Romney didn't make any attempt at the Black vote. He spoke at the NAACP convention, which Obama blew off, he got booed. He went to visit a Philly school and folks outside the school said some of the most vile things about him. His crime? He spoke about the importance of education. This was during the early days of the campaign.

One mistake I think Mitt Romney did was he should have went on Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey, Russ Parr or Joe Madison and defend some of the wild accusations I heard about him being made there. That assumes any of them would have even allowed him on their show.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes, it is incentive or the government will take more money. I would prefer less tax and save on my own.

either way, try to say that I am dependent on the government is wrong. People on welfare ARE TAKERS and they do not help anyone when they take that money.
I agree you're not dependent on the government. You're post actually highlights an other point I'm making about the effectiveness of campaigning against welfare.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:45 AM
 
Location: VA
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I think someone already stated that the GOP's base would abandon the party if it became more minority-friendly. Does anyone remember the Republican Primary debate where Newt Gingrich called Obama "the biggest food stamp President in history" and CNN's panel of viewers all started mashing their dials? These are people who believe that their lives would be better if 97% of racial minorities suddenly disappeared. They would be outraged if the GOP tried to be more inclusive.


The GOP doesn't need their extreme base anymore, not with the shifting demographics that's going to occur over the next decade or so. If they don't want to be marginalized over the coming years at least on the national level, they need to put in a serious effort to reach outside of their base. Fiscal Conservatism is what they need to emphasize because that's about the only wing of the party I agree with and I'll never vote for them again as long as they continue to put morons like the teabaggers at the forefront. If that's the best the GOP has to offer....well I hope the rational wing of the party can regain control soon, otherwise they'll go the way of the Whigs.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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It'll never work for Blacks, most are a lost cause, hopelessly mired in grievance and socialism. Folks act like Mitt Romney didn't make any attempt at the Black vote. He spoke at the NAACP convention, which Obama blew off, he got booed. He went to visit a Philly school and folks outside the school said some of the most vile things about him. His crime? He spoke about the importance of education. This was during the early days of the campaign.

One mistake I think Mitt Romney did was he should have went on Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey, Russ Parr or Joe Madison and defend some of the wild accusations I heard about him being made there. That assumes any of them would have even allowed him on their show.
Thats not a fair statement. How would you know this? I'm sure you have people in your race that are not outstanding citizens so why label others?

This is what I mean by actions. If someones makes this kind of statement then Republican leaders need to aggressively go after them. Let the group under attack know that this is not what we are. This person is not what we want in our party. Then people will listen. Then when someone says they are racist at least rationale people can say "no,that was one extremist and he or she was corrected for it". "Thats not who they are"
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The GOP doesn't need their extreme base anymore
That's somewhat of a contradiction. How can you not need your "base?" I think you meant to say that the GOP no longer needs extreme elements of its constituency to win in general elections. I don't think that's really true. And we know that it certainly needs extremists during midterms because that's how they outperformed Dems in 2010.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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You could start by becoming a party which uses real facts and is based on reality then you might find more people start to believe what you're saying. Also I'd cut out the divisive social/culture war BS because you just can't creditably claim to be a party of small government when you're constantly trying to legislate your religion and your personal views of morality. That's just big government with other aims and if it becomes a contest of who is better at running big government or who will actually enact policies which will do the most social good in the country then the Democrats will win every time.

Become a true libertarian party and avoid the culture war nonsense like the plague and you'll find there is less grounds to be called racist and you'll end up alienating fewer people. I actually want to see the Republican Party viable because the country needs two good solid parties but right now you guys have gone insane and so extreme no one likes you much less trusts you. You have the loonies running the asylum and that needs to stop.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Well, you can start by listening to Willard Romney's post election comments. First, just because an individual doesn't use racial slurs doesn't mean they aren't racist. Romney pointed out a lot of people who he claimed Obama was going to give "gifts" to and singled out minorities. When in fact, most of the people who would take advantage of healthcare and increased access to school loans are white. Most people on food stamps and public assistance are white and a vast majority are in red states.

Paul Ryan claiming that his ticket lost because of the "urban" turnout that they didn't expect (read lazy).

Attempting to make voting difficult in Florida but shortening early voting minorities generally take advantage of forcing 8 hour waits. All the other voter supression tecqniques focused solely at minorities. It's only from republicans toward minority communities.

John McCain stands up, without facts and implies that a black female Rhode Scholar isn't smart after he selected Palin. Not that she was wrong or had bad intelligence but that she wasn't smart. McCain in the 4 years since the Palin debacle has not said a word about Palin being an idiot as every other person in his campaign has said. But amazingly, one comment into Susan Rice's overt public career he makes this statement.

The Republican Party Chair in Maine who claimed too many black people came to vote and made remarks about knowing all the black people in the town because he plays basketball with them.

These are just a few of the recent racially motivated things that have occured. Most minoritiy adults can identify pretty easily a closet racist. These are republican party leaders to include it's most recent standard bearer. I shouldn't even have to mention talking heads like Rush or the ignorant tea-partiers who are just being lead by the talking heads. I'm talking about republican leadership.

The problem as most are beginning to realize is because republicans sequester themselves in a bubble of foxnews spin, drudge report nonsense and consevative radio blather.
I can't rep you again but this post should be read over and over by Republicans because it hits the nail on the head.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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You could start by becoming a party which uses real facts and is based on reality then you might find more people start to believe what you're saying. Also I'd cut out the divisive social/culture war BS because you just can't creditably claim to be a party of small government when you're constantly trying to legislate your religion and your personal views of morality. That's just big government with other aims and if it becomes a contest of who is better at running big government or who will actually enact policies which will do the most social good in the country then the Democrats will win every time.

Become a true libertarian party and avoid the culture war nonsense like the plague and you'll find there is less grounds to be called racist and you'll end up alienating fewer people. I actually want to see the Republican Party viable because the country needs two good solid parties but right now you guys have gone insane and so extreme no one likes you much less trusts you. You have the loonies running the asylum and that needs to stop.
I agree with the first paragraph, disagree with the second. If they became a true libertarian party, they would make the tea party look normal. The tea party is just extreme, libertarians are on some planet I've never heard of.
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