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Old 11-21-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Thats not a fair statement. How would you know this? I'm sure you have people in your race that are not outstanding citizens so why label others?

This is what I mean by actions. If someones makes this kind of statement then Republican leaders need to aggressively go after them. Let the group under attack know that this is not what we are. This person is not what we want in our party. Then people will listen. Then when someone says they are racist at least rationale people can say "no,that was one extremist and he or she was corrected for it". "Thats not who they are"
I'm Black, that's what I hear on Black talk radio and in conversations. Most are socialist leaning they have polls that confirm this.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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Well, you can start by listening to Willard Romney's post election comments. First, just because an individual doesn't use racial slurs doesn't mean they aren't racist. Romney pointed out a lot of people who he claimed Obama was going to give "gifts" to and singled out minorities. When in fact, most of the people who would take advantage of healthcare and increased access to school loans are white. Most people on food stamps and public assistance are white and a vast majority are in red states.

Paul Ryan claiming that his ticket lost because of the "urban" turnout that they didn't expect (read lazy).

Attempting to make voting difficult in Florida but shortening early voting minorities generally take advantage of forcing 8 hour waits. All the other voter supression tecqniques focused solely at minorities. It's only from republicans toward minority communities.

John McCain stands up, without facts and implies that a black female Rhode Scholar isn't smart after he selected Palin. Not that she was wrong or had bad intelligence but that she wasn't smart. McCain in the 4 years since the Palin debacle has not said a word about Palin being an idiot as every other person in his campaign has said. But amazingly, one comment into Susan Rice's overt public career he makes this statement.

The Republican Party Chair in Maine who claimed too many black people came to vote and made remarks about knowing all the black people in the town because he plays basketball with them.

These are just a few of the recent racially motivated things that have occured. Most minoritiy adults can identify pretty easily a closet racist. These are republican party leaders to include it's most recent standard bearer. I shouldn't even have to mention talking heads like Rush or the ignorant tea-partiers who are just being lead by the talking heads. I'm talking about republican leadership.

The problem as most are beginning to realize is because republicans sequester themselves in a bubble of foxnews spin, drudge report nonsense and consevative radio blather.
Well said, and I will just add that the Republican base needs to be more inclusive of minorities and women. It seems to be a party for angry white males who want to hold on to their tax money and their rich buds' money as well.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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Well said, and I will just add that the Republican base needs to be more inclusive of minorities and women. It seems to be a party for angry white males who want to hold on to their tax money and their rich buds' money as well.
That's one sided. They earn that money. By the same token, democrats just want to hold on to their welfare check... money they did not provide a service or help anyone to earn that money.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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If Romney actually said something like this he would have won. His mistake with the 47% comment is that it was too large and included many Republican leaning folks who have paid into the system and are rightfully drawing benefits. He should have confined his wrath towards the real moochers.

The one time Romney actually improved his standing in Ohio before the 1st debate was when he ran the Obama changing welfare ad. I don't know why he stopped it.
Are you saying that Romney should have said the same comment Santorum did? You think that would have helped him? He got every vote that a statement like that would have appealed to.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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I don't think he was necessarily being racist. He was simply pointing out that a greater percentage of minorities would receive these "gifts." That is reality. Nevertheless, I think his comments were inappropriate and things like that should simply be unstated. As a Republican what I would like to see is everyone get off of these programs.
You can keep saying you don't think it is racist but the vast, vast, VAST majority of the people in this country do see it as at least an appeal to racism and the Republican Party has at least a half century of doing that so they're going to want to steer clear of anything which remotely smells like racism if they want to distance their brand. Kicking out the obvious racists from positions of power would also greatly improve their image with the public on this issue.

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They needed to campaign in the cities. Yes, it was lazy for them to ignore them. Republicans cannot take the city vote but they cannot ignore it. It's all about margins.
Yes, they need to campaign in cities but they also have to have a message which wins and that means they need to ditch the hatred of education and learning, the appeals to stupidity and the anti-scientific positions, in short, they need to move back to the center where most of the voters actually are. The more you try to legislate religion and morality the more you undermine your own small government message and without that what does the Republican Party stand for? Not much other than graft, voter suppression, and appeals to racism.

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I really think all the new voting laws caused a huge backlash and ended up increasing turnout. While I don't think voter ID laws are attempts at voter suppression, I think some of the other tactics are. I don't think these laws are made with racist intent, but instead entirely for political purposes. They are not trying to suppress minority votes, they are simply trying to suppress votes for Democrats. Unfortunately, because Democratic voters are disproportionately minority, minorities do seem to be targeted the most.
I'm glad you can at least tepidly admit reality as that's a good first step. Yes, Republicans were trying to suppress Democratic votes which in and of itself makes people hate and distrust the Republican Party as cheats. BTW they ABSOLUTELY and unquestionably were deliberately targeting minority districts with their voter suppression efforts; now, their motivation was that most minorities do vote for Democrats (mainly because of the Republicans long, long, long standing association with racism and constant appeals to racism) but the fact remains they WERE deliberately attempting to prevent legal voters from voting because they didn't like how they vote. That's illegal and the fact that the party not only tolerates but tries to promote illegal activities like that can only harm them in the long run.

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Well....I say the same about liberals and their MSNBC, ThinkProgress, HuffPost, etc.
Except most liberals don't they watch mostly the main stream media and generally want to know facts thus they cross check by using a wide variety of media sources. At least the vast majority of them do. To compare the right wing really does sequester themselves into a little echo chamber which tells them what they want to hear (and what their political masters want them to think, facts be damned) instead of what the honest fact based data shows. That's why you guys are always so far off base and saying things which, factually speaking, just aren't even remotely true.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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If Romney had said something like that - that he would get "black" people specifically off handouts, he would have lost Ohio by more points than what he did. White Ohioans, like most white citizens of this country, are not overwhelmingly racist and even white Republicans in Ohio are more moderate than southerners. As someone from Ohio who now lives in the south - in a supposedly liberal bastion of the state - Atlanta - I can attest to the fact that many Democrats here are similar to Republicans in Ohio and they don't like racial division and most are aware that the vast majority of black people work.

Like I told you during the election season, Romney was not going to win Ohio anyway, no matter what sort of racist ads he had/has on TV. I will be honest and say that I think you (EdwardA) are placing too much emphasis on race in general in regards to the GOP turnout. Contrary to what you believe and many in the GOP, white people aren't just going to support you just because they are white! White and GOP are not the same. There are many white Democrats and Ohio is a big union, auto manufacturing, working class state. White men in Ohio turned out more for Obama than Romney, that should be your proof that more white turnout is not going to make it a big win for GOP candidates - they can't even win white men!! With the dumb comments about rape and abortion you should already know that a majority of white women are not going to support them so this whole "more whites = more GOP voters" is just ridiculous.

What I suggest is the GOP mentoring some of their retired alumni and studying up on the issues and ideals of former GOP representatives. Olympia Snowe, George Voinovich, Warren Rudman, even Dwight Eisenhower. You need some sort of Republican education to see what a progressive, moderate Republican looks like. Drop all the racial rhetoric, focus on fiscal issues and use fiscal conservatism as a model for improving social programs instead of trying to use those programs in a racial or class division fashion. Drop all the religious crap. Even religious people don't like hearing that crap. And quit thinking that just because someone is white they will support you, just because someone is black they won't support you, just because someone is Asian they should support you, just because someone is hispanic they only care about immigration and/or are illegal. We are all actually listening to you and what you are saying just does not fit with the ideals and values that most Americans share.
I wish I would have read this before posting. This post covers it all and is very informative.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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I'm Black, that's what I hear on Black talk radio and in conversations. Most are socialist leaning they have polls that confirm this.
You are black. Sorry,I would not have thought that. Seems like you are pretty harsh about Black people in general.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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You are black. Sorry,I would not have thought that. Seems like you are pretty harsh about Black people in general.
I don't believe that he is black...look at all his deluded predictions about the elections. Maybe he imagines that he is black.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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You are black. Sorry,I would not have thought that. Seems like you are pretty harsh about Black people in general.
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I don't believe that he is black...look at all his deluded predictions about the elections. Maybe he imagines that he is black.
Yes because anyone against Obama can't possibly be Black. So how was Romney going to reach out to Black people again? I mean if being for Obama is a sign of Blackness, or some sort of test Blacks must prove to remain Black, then there is nothing Romney or the GOP could have done to get the Black vote.

Again this is why the GOP is better served writing off the Black vote and concentrating on votes it can get.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Well said, and I will just add that the Republican base needs to be more inclusive of minorities and women. It seems to be a party for angry white males who want to hold on to their tax money and their rich buds' money as well.
And who want Bubba to be free to be with his cousin if he so chooses, telling the government to mind their own business, that is, as long as his cousin isn't a male cousin.
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