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Old 11-21-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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3) alignment with the evangelical movement
Barry Goldwater was right way back in 1968. Aligning with the evangelical movement would be the death kneel of the Republican Party. Just like Goldwater said they got captured and instead of staying the party of smaller government they became the party of the culture war big government.

BTW I'd also like to say that Americans don't just want no government (as so many Republicans seem to think), we like the government and know that every society needs a government, but we do want it to be an EFFECTIVE government so Republicans may do better on that message IF (and it's a big if) they can get the public to believe they've given up on just eliminating the government. So far the messages are Democrats are for effective government while Republicans just keep saying they want to kill the government. They'll lose that message war every time.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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The DEMS say they are the party of the "big tent"! The GOP must be the party of the "big tent lunatics"!
The GOP is now a very small tent party. Anyone who disagrees with the evangelical base on even one issue gets called a "RINO" and hounded out of the party. We'll guess what? They're excluding the majority of voters out there and just giving them away to the other party. They're going to have to become a big tent party again if they want to start winning national elections again and that's going to mean they're going to have to be more tolerate of other ideas besides just things 60+ year old extremely religious protestant southern white men want.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The GOP is now a very small tent party. Anyone who disagrees with the evangelical base on even one issue gets called a "RINO" and hounded out of the party. We'll guess what? They're excluding the majority of voters out there and just giving them away to the other party. They're going to have to become a big tent party again if they want to start winning national elections again and that's going to mean they're going to have to be more tolerate of other ideas besides just things 60+ year old extremely religious protestant southern white men want.
The GOP controls the House, the most democratic of all branches of government, yet somehowthe GOP is in major decline, ok. Romney lost in the 4 states that mattered by 400K votes out of 22 million cast in those states.

The GOP appreciates the unsolicited advice from concerned liberals but i suspect the GOP we'll be just fine
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Yes because anyone against Obama can't possibly be Black. So how was Romney going to reach out to Black people again? I mean if being for Obama is a sign of Blackness, or some sort of test Blacks must prove to remain Black, then there is nothing Romney or the GOP could have done to get the Black vote.

Again this is why the GOP is better served writing off the Black vote and concentrating on votes it can get.
Its not that. You seem to speak ill of Blacks in general. Not just Obama. You typed Blacks are a lost cause. How could someone say that about themselves? Blacks don't have to be for Obama. Thats a myth,but your post go beyond that IMHO.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: NC
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There are many variables as to why Romney lost. Black turnout would have been there regardless. So his only hope was to over perform among Whites. He actually did but not enough. A republican in the 80s came within a few thousand votes of defeating Harold Washington because of racial animus. We all know how effective daddy Bushs horton ad was in his election efforts. Harold Ford is now toiling away on MSMBC because his opponent portrayed him as some guy who liked to party with white women. to suggest racial animus doesnt have a role in politics is silly. Obama is president because he stoked racial animus while Romney did not.
First, America is never again going to see the % white presidential electorate it saw in the 1980s. If the 1988 election had the same demographic breakdown as the 2008 or 2012 election Dukakis would have won. Secondly, as this election demonstrated the GOP is eventually going to hit a ceiling with white voters. There are just certain other indicators that tend to trump race when it comes to certain white voters. E.g. Other religion voters, no religion voters, advanced degree voters, union member voters, liberal voters etc.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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The GOP controls the House, the most democratic of all branches of government, yet somehowthe GOP is in major decline, ok. Romney lost in the 4 states that mattered by 400K votes out of 22 million cast in those states.

The GOP appreciates the unsolicited advice from concerned liberals but i suspect the GOP we'll be just fine
The GOP controls the house because of gerrymandering. This past election, democrats actually got more votes that republicans did when it came to house races, but because of the republicans did a great job in redistricting, it allowed them to retain the majority. The reality is, republicans have lost the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 elections, have lost majority of the senate 3 or 4 straight elections, and won the house because we weren't prepared for the tea party and took a beat down, and than you guys did the smart thing and kept the house in your favor by redistricting.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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Dems also picked up 8 seats in the House, even with redistricting.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'm Black, that's what I hear on Black talk radio and in conversations. Most are socialist leaning they have polls that confirm this.
The entire world, outside of the American Right is "socialist leaning." The American Right wing way of thinking is borderline fringe on the global scale.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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The entire world, outside of the American Right is "socialist leaning." The American Right wing way of thinking is borderline fringe on the global scale.
How's the global economy doing these days?
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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How's the global economy doing these days?
Great in Germany, Switzerland, Brazil, India, Canada, China
Middling in UK, France, US
Poor in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece

How's the economy doing in Kansas, Mississippi, and Missouri?
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