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Old 11-21-2012, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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First, America is never again going to see the % white presidential electorate it saw in the 1980s. If the 1988 election had the same demographic breakdown as the 2008 or 2012 election Dukakis would have won. Secondly, as this election demonstrated the GOP is eventually going to hit a ceiling with white voters. There are just certain other indicators that tend to trump race when it comes to certain white voters. E.g. Other religion voters, no religion voters, advanced degree voters, union member voters, liberal voters etc.
Local election history shatters your point of there being a ceiling. We have examples in Chicago and New York of traditional White Democrats crossing over to the GOP once the Dems became too closely tied to radical racial politics. At some point the average White person no matter how well meaning is going to look at the Dem party and say to themselves," I don't see myself in this party." Quite similar to how Blacks view the GOP.

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that Romney won young White voters between 18-29. If you consider the fact that people tend to become more conservative as they age the notion of a ceiling becomes even more tenuous.

Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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It'll never work for Blacks, most are a lost cause, hopelessly mired in grievance and socialism. Folks act like Mitt Romney didn't make any attempt at the Black vote. He spoke at the NAACP convention, which Obama blew off, he got booed. He went to visit a Philly school and folks outside the school said some of the most vile things about him. His crime? He spoke about the importance of education. This was during the early days of the campaign.

One mistake I think Mitt Romney did was he should have went on Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey, Russ Parr or Joe Madison and defend some of the wild accusations I heard about him being made there. That assumes any of them would have even allowed him on their show.
I disagree. Come in sensible and you will get sensible results. Go through primaries while opponents say "certain" things about minorities, in this case black people, and not call them on it and expect to receive an warm welcome? Doubtful. Being silent about the remarks from the more radical side makes one look just as guilty. I'm pretty sure Mitt went in there and got the reaction he was hoping for. It was meant to shore up his base as opposed to get new votes which was clearly evident in his later video about the 47% and his conference call to his monetary supporters a few days after the election.

I am sure that Tom Joyner and them would have loved to have him on their show but he would have opened himself up to answer some things he'd rather not discuss.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Great in Germany, Switzerland, Brazil, India, Canada, China
Middling in UK, France, US
Poor in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece

How's the economy doing in Kansas, Mississippi, and Missouri?

Germany's economy is not great.

German economy slows, heads for Q4 contraction | Reuters
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Well... they had a good run during the downturn, but they're still going to be doing better than us.

My point still stands. It's not American Blacks that are weird for "socialist" leanings. It's the American Right that's weird for their Social Darwinist leanings.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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Yes because anyone against Obama can't possibly be Black. So how was Romney going to reach out to Black people again? I mean if being for Obama is a sign of Blackness, or some sort of test Blacks must prove to remain Black, then there is nothing Romney or the GOP could have done to get the Black vote.

Again this is why the GOP is better served writing off the Black vote and concentrating on votes it can get.
No, it is more like every other post that you write it seems like you hate the fact that you are black. Nobody cares if you didn't vote for Obama. Big deal. But when you say things like "Asians will come over to the Republican side when they learn that democrats plan to take their money and spaces in college and give them to unqualified black and blown people" or "black people can't compete in the free market system and that is why they rely on the government", it makes people question you. It is not about allegiances it is just about self respect.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: NC
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Local election history shatters your point of there being a ceiling. We have examples in Chicago and New York of traditional White Democrats crossing over to the GOP once the Dems became too closely tied to radical racial politics. At some point the average White person no matter how well meaning is going to look at the Dem party and say to themselves," I don't see myself in this party." Quite similar to how Blacks view the GOP.

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that Romney won young White voters between 18-29. If you consider the fact that people tend to become more conservative as they age the notion of a ceiling becomes even more tenuous.

Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
I suspect what you think of by average white person is already in the GOP. At this point Romney lost while getting almost 60 percent of the white vote. To increase this margin they are going to have to pull more strongly from less "average" white people. Lets look at who they are going to have to start drawing more from. First are white Non-Christians, and while the GOP has made some very slight inroads with Jewish voters, they have not made any inroads with Atheists, and are seriously underperforming among other non-Christian (e.g. Pagans, Buddhists, etc.) this subset doesn't look promising. The GOP has also gone backwards in terms of Gay/Lesbian voters, and union household voters many of whom are white and that also shuts down avenues towards winning a higher % of the white vote. Then their are advanced degree voters, many of whom are white e.g. academics, scientists, attorneys etc. again the GOP is not making inroads here either. Finally there is the hardest nut to crack which would be white liberals, and again the GOP is not doing well here.

Basically, those are some of the people you are going to have to make inroads with to get up to a high enough share of the white vote to deal with demographic trends if you want to ignore minority voters largely and all of those groups are going to be a hard sell for the GOP.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I disagree. Come in sensible and you will get sensible results. Go through primaries while opponents say "certain" things about minorities, in this case black people, and not call them on it and expect to receive an warm welcome? Doubtful. Being silent about the remarks from the more radical side makes one look just as guilty. I'm pretty sure Mitt went in there and got the reaction he was hoping for. It was meant to shore up his base as opposed to get new votes which was clearly evident in his later video about the 47% and his conference call to his monetary supporters a few days after the election.

I am sure that Tom Joyner and them would have loved to have him on their show but he would have opened himself up to answer some things he'd rather not discuss.
Your response is not based in reality. Romney said nothing that could remotely viewed as racist during the primary. Why should he censure what other candidate's legitimate views. Gingrich was right to call Obama the food stamp president, if folks automatically equate Blacks with food stamps then whose fault is that?

He went to the NAACP and laid out his views. I mean what do you expect him to go there an say he favors Obamacare? Here's a story about the Philly visit I see no mention of folks being miffed about him not censuring fellow primary candidates. Besides Herman Cain was around why didn't he say anything? The fact is a disproportinate amount of Black people are dependent on the federal government.

Hecklers mar Romney’s visit to inner-city charter school in Philadelphia - The Washington Post

I mean it's nice for folks to have subjective memories now about how racist Romney and the GOP are but he made an effort and was met with hate, ironically whipped up by the peace loving Obama.

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Outside, meanwhile, some brick row houses across from the school were boarded up. Police had cordoned off a full city block to protect Romney and his entourage. Residents, some of them organized by Obama’s campaign, stood on their porches and gathered at a sidewalk corner to shout angrily at Romney. Some held signs saying, “We are the 99%.” One man’s placard trumpeted an often-referenced Romney gaffe: “I am not concerned about the very poor.”
Madaline G. Dunn, 78, who said she has lived here for 50 years and volunteers at the school, said she is “personally offended” that Romney would visit her neighborhood.
“It’s not appreciated here,” she said. “It is absolutely denigrating for him to come in here and speak his garbage.”
I find it ironic that the GOP is condemned for being racist, while Romney did little to explicitly appeal to White voters.

However Obama marshalls out his Black stormtroopers to scream obsenities at Romney, parcels out the electorate by race, gender and other charecteristics to dole out gifts, yet he's the one who will bring together.

Folks are really losing it if they are buying this nonsense.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:48 AM
 
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Local election history shatters your point of there being a ceiling. We have examples in Chicago and New York of traditional White Democrats crossing over to the GOP once the Dems became too closely tied to radical racial politics. At some point the average White person no matter how well meaning is going to look at the Dem party and say to themselves," I don't see myself in this party." Quite similar to how Blacks view the GOP.

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that Romney won young White voters between 18-29. If you consider the fact that people tend to become more conservative as they age the notion of a ceiling becomes even more tenuous.

Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Well all we can do then is go vote. If no whites are in the party we will lose. Somehow I don't think that will happen. 15% Blacks plus 15% or more Hispanic gives the Dem's 30%. I don't believe 80% of Whites will go with the GOP. So thats 50% right there. The younger Whites in GOP areas are not like their parents. Dem's will pick up a percentage of them.

I don't know what radical racial politics you speak of.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I suspect what you think of by average white person is already in the GOP. At this point Romney lost while getting almost 60 percent of the white vote. To increase this margin they are going to have to pull more strongly from less "average" white people. Lets look at who they are going to have to start drawing more from. First are white Non-Christians, and while the GOP has made some very slight inroads with Jewish voters, they have not made any inroads with Atheists, and are seriously underperforming among other non-Christian (e.g. Pagans, Buddhists, etc.) this subset doesn't look promising. The GOP has also gone backwards in terms of Gay/Lesbian voters, and union household voters many of whom are white and that also shuts down avenues towards winning a higher % of the white vote. Then their are advanced degree voters, many of whom are white e.g. academics, scientists, attorneys etc. again the GOP is not making inroads here either. Finally there is the hardest nut to crack which would be white liberals, and again the GOP is not doing well here.

Basically, those are some of the people you are going to have to make inroads with to get up to a high enough share of the white vote to deal with demographic trends if you want to ignore minority voters largely and all of those groups are going to be a hard sell for the GOP.
I never said ignore minority voters, I said ignore Black voters big difference. The GOP can cobble a winning coalition with 60% of the White vote and 35-40% of the Hispanic and Asian vote. This is very doable. I'd also do some micro targeting of immigrants in general

Blacks are not necessary, if a few fall into the GOP lap the more the merrier but to contort the GOP to make it more palatable to the majority of Blacks is foolish. Since most are simply not receptive to the message of hard work, personal responsibility and limited government involvement.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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Your response is not based in reality. Romney said nothing that could remotely viewed as racist during the primary. Why should he censure what other candidate's legitimate views. Gingrich was right to call Obama the food stamp president, if folks automatically equate Blacks with food stamps then whose fault is that?

He went to the NAACP and laid out his views. I mean what do you expect him to go there an say he favors Obamacare? Here's a story about the Philly visit I see no mention of folks being miffed about him not censuring fellow primary candidates. Besides Herman Cain was around why didn't he say anything? The fact is a disproportinate amount of Black people are dependent on the federal government.

Hecklers mar Romney’s visit to inner-city charter school in Philadelphia - The Washington Post

I mean it's nice for folks to have subjective memories now about how racist Romney and the GOP are but he made an effort and was met with hate, ironically whipped up by the peace loving Obama.



I find it ironic that the GOP is condemned for being racist, while Romney did little to explicitly appeal to White voters.

However Obama marshalls out his Black stormtroopers to scream obsenities at Romney, parcels out the electorate by race, gender and other charecteristics to dole out gifts, yet he's the one who will bring together.

Folks are really losing it if they are buying this nonsense.
Your post are very offensive. Why are you so down on your race? Is there anything you like about Black people? How would you like for this Country Black,White,Hispanic to prosper going forward?
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