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Old 11-26-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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At the end of the day the GOP will be just fine. Romney won over 50% of the White vote in CA, PA, NJ and even MD. The electorate was actually more red this cycle than in '08 just not enough to flip the White House.

Going forward the GOP needs to peel off a few more votes from certain groups in key states and they should be fine.
I agree that the GOP will be ok in the future. Like with anything else, you adapt or go home.

That said, i don't really believe that you're nearly as confident about your prognostication as you pretend to be. For the GOP to adapt, it won't be that easy. And moreover, not only are we not growing enough angry white folks, but we're not growing many white folks PERIOD!

But hey..whatever.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Where in the TOS does it say that a link must be provided for every assertion made in a thread?
He quoted an article verbatim that was written by Byron York.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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At the end of the day the GOP will be just fine. Romney won over 50% of the White vote in CA, PA, NJ and even MD. The electorate was actually more red this cycle than in '08 just not enough to flip the White House.

Going forward the GOP needs to peel off a few more votes from certain groups in key states and they should be fine.
That's if you consider "just fine" being marginalized to impotent backwater states and counties. Heck, Obama even took conservative Orange County this time, and the counties where Romney and the GOP won, also just "happen" to be the poorest, least educated (and whitest) ones in the state... BTW, a pattern that also repeats itself all over the country.

California GOP ponders life in the irrelevant lane
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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That's if you consider "just fine" being marginalized to impotent backwater states and counties. Heck, Obama even took conservative Orange County this time, and the counties where Romney and the GOP won, also just "happen" to be the poorest (and whitest) ones in the state... BTW, a pattern that also repeats itself all over the country.

California GOP ponders life in the irrelevant lane
President Obama also took San Diego County as well.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I agree that the GOP will be ok in the future. Like with anything else, you adapt or go home.

That said, i don't really believe that you're nearly as confident about your prognostication as you pretend to be. For the GOP to adapt, it won't be that easy. And moreover, not only are we not growing enough angry white folks, but we're not growing many white folks PERIOD!

But hey..whatever.
You may be right only time will tell. If you are this country is doomed.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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That's if you consider "just fine" being marginalized to impotent backwater states and counties. Heck, Obama even took conservative Orange County this time, and the counties where Romney and the GOP won, also just "happen" to be the poorest, least educated (and whitest) ones in the state... BTW, a pattern that also repeats itself all over the country.

California GOP ponders life in the irrelevant lane
OC has changed through the years, not surprising. California is a scary example of what is in store for the USA that's for sure deficits, fleeing middle class, coastal elites in their walled off mansions while poverty and chaos reigns outside their walls and in the interior.

The GOP will be fine and if not oh well looks like the USA will be a socialist multihued country which will skip along until eventual collapse.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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You also have to consider "hard hat Democrats". Remember, you have cities like Cleveland, Dayton, and Toledo. Industrial cities where the industrial decline has occurred. You also have Columbus,OH, the largest city in Ohio(by city limits), possibly the largest college city in the USA(Ohio State is here), and it's the capital city. I would say most of the reddish hue comes from suburban areas and rural areas.

Chicago wasn't the only place condemned by MLK. Mississippi was condemned by him as well.
Some of those areas have traditionally been very Democratic. What has gotten the GOP into trouble in the state is how far Columbus and its inner suburbs have moved towards the Democrats. Look at Franklin County and how it has compared to the national average over the last several election cycles.

1988 GOP +13.12
1992 GOP +7.73
1996 GOP +4.92
2000 Dem + .59
2004 Dem +11.69
2008 Dem +13.42
2012 Dem +18.56 (not official)


That is a MAJOR problem for the GOP. Similar to Virginia there are certainly areas of the state that have trended GOP at a similar pace, however that isn't where the population is
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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Some of those areas have traditionally been very Democratic. What has gotten the GOP into trouble in the state is how far Columbus and its inner suburbs have moved towards the Democrats. Look at Franklin County and how it has compared to the national average over the last several election cycles.

1988 GOP +13.12
1992 GOP +7.73
1996 GOP +4.92
2000 Dem + .59
2004 Dem +11.69
2008 Dem +13.42
2012 Dem +18.56 (not official)


That is a MAJOR problem for the GOP. Similar to Virginia there are certainly areas of the state that have trended GOP at a similar pace, however that isn't where the population is
I have mentioned that Columbus is one of the dominating Democratic factors. It holds a status similar to Washington DC. Liberal city with alot of college students. I didn't know how much it encroached into the suburbs. From what you describe, the DC factor is in effect. From this perspective, it seems like race doesn't play that much of a part around the Columbus area.

I live in the Atlanta area and race plays a major part. Georgia has a higher number of Blacks and a higher percentage of Blacks than Ohio, and you have Atlanta there, which is called "The Black Mecca". Georgia is still red. If you look at the counties, nearly every county that went blue is predominantly Black. Every county that went red is predominantly White. I don't see this kind of stark divide in Ohio.

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Old 11-26-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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That's if you consider "just fine" being marginalized to impotent backwater states and counties. Heck, Obama even took conservative Orange County this time, and the counties where Romney and the GOP won, also just "happen" to be the poorest, least educated (and whitest) ones in the state... BTW, a pattern that also repeats itself all over the country.

California GOP ponders life in the irrelevant lane
That's true. Did Mitt Romney win any major cities or affluent counties? All of the big cities with the highest GDP and educational attainment are blue. Yet these are the people that should be worried about their choice and the future of our country?
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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That's true. Did Mitt Romney win any major cities or affluent counties? All of the big cities with the highest GDP and educational attainment are blue. Yet these are the people that should be worried about their choice and the future of our country?
He did not win the major cities. He did not win the highly educated areas or areas with high numbers of minorities. The Southern Strategy and the Pat Buchanan tactics are not going to work anymore.
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