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Old 11-19-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
For me, it's two things that stop me from voting Republican:

1. They unfairly & unjustly demonize gov't on "principle"
There's nothing wrong with this in and of itself, but when one does this while running for government office, it makes them look like an idiot unfit to run anything larger and more complex than a Dairy Queen. It's like being an atheist while employed as a Methodist preacher.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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All great points!

I just keep wondering...why have they moved so far from Eisenhower when he was clearly one of the great presidents of our time and presided over a nation that was at the height of its powers? I'm not fond of America in the 50's (not as a black man), but the prosperity and stability of the country at the time is undeniable.

Ike made it very clear that defense dollars, although necessary up to a point, were a poor investment and should be limited in their expenditures. And my God, this was during the COLD WAR!!!!

Hell, I work in the defense establishment, and I'm even ashamed at what we spend. We're spending 5 or 6 times what the Chinese spend, and then say that "we can't just throw money at the problem" when it comes to education? What kinda sh*t is that to say?
Defense spending as it is now is basically legalized graft. They throw money to their defense contractor buddies and corporate accounts for unlimited R&D, guaranteed purchases, etc.. It's all about buying **** you don't need while using the American flag as a veil and shield to cover up the obvious financial abuses going on. Loading up on billions to beef up a conventional military to fight a unconventional asymmetric enemy is pure folly. If you just left it untouched as it exists now America's carrier fleet, first strike capabilities, air force, etc.. far exceeds any conventional army on earth. It's been considered excessive since the end of the cold war.

To put that into perspective..you can probably combine China and Russia's military together and it still wouldn't come close to the military firepower that the U.S. military has.

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The Republicans have some good ideas. Obamacare has more conservatism at its core than Liberalism, but they hate the man so much, that they can't even acknowledge it.
Obamacare is considered inadequate because it's a half measure. A real health care program would be filibustered and neutered by Republican attack dogs because it would involve the sacred cow tax issue. Which is why the country needs to settle on something like Obamacare. It's ridiculous how protecting the very health and welfare of U.S. citizens which in turn effects long term productivity and financial well being of U.S. citizens is considered a "bad" thing by Republicans.

With the way health care is structured now in the U.S. every middle class family or lower on the economic totem pole is one major illness away from bankrupting their entire house hold. I've seen it happen.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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thats where edward A always goes wrong, saying they just need to turn out more white voters. the white vote has and will continue to decline, while the minority vote will continue to increase. the 2008/2012 election model is the new election model, which is where edward A starts to get into trouble.
Well than we are staring at a declining America with socialism as its core principles.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, the GOP took a beating among minority voters. That's pretty obvious. What I would like to do is start a dialogue with the minority voters on this forum (those who voted for Obama, obviously if you voted for Romney this doesn't apply to you) about changes the Republicans could make to attract you to their party. Some of you are fairly conservative. For those of you who have the idea that the Republican Party is a racist party, I would like to know why. While I understand there are some Republican voters who are racist and some conservative talk show personalities and the like, I fail to see how Republican politicians/candidates are racist. Even if there are a few isolated cases, I fail to see how the party platform or how the majority or even any minority other than perhaps a very small fringe of Republican politicians/candidates are racist.

I am starting this thread with the very best of intentions. I have been called racist on this forum and I don't understand why. Just because I'm a Republican?!? I have black and Hispanic friends (I'm not just saying that; I just had drinks with a black friend the other day). I have always worked with blacks and Hispanics and have always seen them as the same as everyone else. I am not trying to start any kind of conflict. I am simply trying to start a discussion. I do hope we can welcome more of you in to our party. Yes, we need your votes, but even if we could win with zero minority votes I wouldn't want the GOP to win in that case or even with 20% of minority votes. Does a large group of minority voters fear the Republican Party? If so, why? And what can be done to change this?
I'm trying to figure out why people think Romney and Obamas policies are different
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There's nothing wrong with this in and of itself, but when one does this while running for government office, it makes them look like an idiot unfit to run anything larger and more complex than a Dairy Queen. It's like being an atheist while employed as a Methodist preacher.
Or like the evangelicals booing the golden rule in South Carolina.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Well than we are staring at a declining America with socialism as its core principles.
Are you basing this assessment on the number of yard signs you saw in your county?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Moderate conservative for Obama.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
All great points!

I just keep wondering...why have they moved so far from Eisenhower when he was clearly one of the great presidents of our time and presided over a nation that was at the height of its powers? I'm not fond of America in the 50's (not as a black man), but the prosperity and stability of the country at the time is undeniable.

Ike made it very clear that defense dollars, although necessary up to a point, were a poor investment and should be limited in their expenditures. And my God, this was during the COLD WAR!!!!

Hell, I work in the defense establishment, and I'm even ashamed at what we spend. We're spending 5 or 6 times what the Chinese spend, and then say that "we can't just throw money at the problem" when it comes to education? What kinda sh*t is that to say?

The Republicans have some good ideas. Obamacare has more conservatism at its core than Liberalism, but they hate the man so much, that they can't even acknowledge it.

The same reason for this........



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Old 11-19-2012, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Moderate conservative for Obama.
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Well than we are staring at a declining America with socialism as its core principles.

Says the brainwashed uncle tom..

You have no idea what socialism is... I have live under that cockamania crap you call "socialism" for 25 years somewhere in euroland, and the US doesnt even come close.
If anything Obama is like Prime minister Thatcher i used to know back in the 80's.

If you have lived in Belgium, France, Italy, Spain. You would know what socialism is, i been to all 4 named countries and ill be the 1st to say, they suck!.

Could you just tell me, have you ever lived in any other part of the globe, whatsoever at all for any given time?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Well than we are staring at a declining America with socialism as its core principles.
I don't want to use you as an example, but case in point

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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
For me, it's two things that stop me from voting Republican:

1. They unfairly & unjustly demonize gov't on "principle"
2. They unfairly & unjustly demonize the social safety net on "principle"

If both those things were addressed, it would leave a party that has to come to some realizations about education, taxes, regulation, and a host of other issues.
You make a double fallacy by first equating anything the gov't does as Socialism, and then equating all Socialism as bad.

You claimed that you educated yourself about gov't policy & economic, so please explain to us Blacks still on the plantation how regulation = socialism, or how nothing good comes from all citizens pitching in to provide something for all citizens?
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You did vote for the demise of America. The recovery is no recovery but one engineered to look like one during the election. The wheels will begin to fall off in the Dec UE report when the "revisions" and "sandy" will be blamed for uptick.

The GOP doesn't need your vote go vote for the nice socialists if you're little feelings were hurt, who cares?
Why would my feelings be hurt? I don't get that? Anyway, this is the very attitude that persuaded me to flee from anything GOP. Lines like, "The recovery is no recovery but one engineered to look like one during the election", makes me feel that I can't possibly be wise enough to see things like you do. Things are great for me and my family and I don't share in your doom and gloom forecast, no matter how much I heard the same stuff over the last 4 years. Demise of a America ehh? This is a country where millions of people recently stood in lines to buy $600 cell phones.
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