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Old 11-19-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Says the brainwashed uncle tom..

You have no idea what socialism is... I have live under that cockamania crap you call "socialism" for 25 years somewhere in euroland, and the US doesnt even come close.
If anything Obama is like Prime minister Thatcher i used to know back in the 80's.

If you have lived in Belgium, France, Italy, Spain. You would know what socialism is, i been to all 4 named countries and ill be the 1st to say, they suck!.

Could you just tell me, have you ever lived in any other part of the globe, whatsoever at all for any given time?
Oooh uncle tom charge. Sorry I'm not a child of the plantation so these silly names have no affect on me.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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america has been quasi socialist for decades edward A. stop with the dramatizations.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I'll be honest with you, I voted for Obama but I did not think he was so different from Romney. I did not vote for him because he was Black, but because he was the lesser of the two evils. Traditionally my family is democratic, but I never believed as my parents did that the democratics were always right or the best politicians for improving my community. I was on the lines for hours waiting to see Obama when he came to the Apollo Theater in Harlem, NY before he won the first primary election. Back then even the Black politicians were mainly behind Hiliary Clinton. Me and my daughters campaigned in our communites for Obama. I believed he was best for this country then and I still believe that now. However, I wouldn't campaign for him this time and given another choice (a better one). I would not have voted for Obama again!!!!!!
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:55 PM
 
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Oooh uncle tom charge. Sorry I'm not a child of the plantation so these silly names have no affect on me.
With Hispanics on the rise, the term will become "Tío Tomás".
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:01 PM
 
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You are wrong about the dependency. The only way I depend on the government is when I depend on them to correctly process the check I was forced to write to them. A 401K is a form of saving money that was earned and putting it away for retirement. Not sure how owning a home makes me dependent on the government, no HUD loan or whatever you call it here. So no you are wrong. What is upsetting conservatives and republicans (at least those of us at the bottom) is we know that anytime the government wants to raise taxes they always hit us at the low end. We are tired of working our butts off only to be forced to give a chunk to the government before we get it.
You have a check to write? Your bank is likely backed by the FDIC - and likely took a bailout from the federal government, as well.

You own a home? Guess who backed your mortgage agreement and your deed to the property, who will enforce your insurance agreement, who will investigate if it gets broken into?

You have a 401k? Guess who set up the rules that define 401k's?

Mad about giving to the government before you get it? Guess who pushed to make delivery rooms as safe as possible?

Here's the funny part - any older black person can tell you about giving to the government, and never receiving anything back. I've said this before, but the real problem with "seperate but equal" was that "equal" was a lie. The older US government - as well as state and local governments - were deliberately designed to rob wealth from non-whites, and to give that wealth to white people. And to some extent, this is still the case. So it's always amusing to hear old white republicans rant about how lazy nonwhite people are moochers. But it's kinda sad to hear people like Mitt Romney parroting these claims in 2012.

And that's another reason why most minorities, and especially black and Native American people, won't vote for republicans. You can't look to the groups that have worked harder than anyone else, and had little material wealth to show for it, and then call them lazy. It's an insult, plain and simple. For pity's sake, many black people put their lives on the line just so their kids would be able to vote, and leading GOP candidates state that they're "satisfied with food stamps".

The past is never dead. It's not even past.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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america has been quasi socialist for decades edward A. stop with the dramatizations.
We're going full stop now, gotta ensure equal outcomes.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: VA
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I grew up in a conservative Chinese household, my parents who normally view Democrats with contempt at best could not deny what the Republicans have become. They who grew up under the Indonesian Military Junta headed up by Suharto voted for Obama this time around! I have to laugh at how many on the far right call Obama a tyrant, they really have no idea what that word really means.

-Stop sleeping with the Social Cons, they down right disturb me with their ideals of turning this country into the Christian version of Iran. I have been deployed to Afghanistan twice and I have seen first hand what religious extremism can do to a country, needless to say it's not a pretty sight. The Tea Party is a perfect example of why I despise the modern GOP, outside of their base full of crazies and racists, they've really done nothing at all to improve the GOP's image. Cut them loose and let them form their own little fringe party.
-Fiscal Conservatism as a leading platform and actually follow that up with actions. How can the GOP call themselves fiscally conservative when they have a disturbing number of its higher ups advocating a senseless war with Iran? That's another thing that galls me, the chicken hawks that lead the party that have no idea what it means to be in a combat zone, they need to get their wrinkled butts to Afghanistan to see why war should only utilized as a last resort.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Well, the GOP took a beating among minority voters. That's pretty obvious. What I would like to do is start a dialogue with the minority voters on this forum (those who voted for Obama, obviously if you voted for Romney this doesn't apply to you) about changes the Republicans could make to attract you to their party. Some of you are fairly conservative. For those of you who have the idea that the Republican Party is a racist party, I would like to know why. While I understand there are some Republican voters who are racist and some conservative talk show personalities and the like, I fail to see how Republican politicians/candidates are racist. Even if there are a few isolated cases, I fail to see how the party platform or how the majority or even any minority other than perhaps a very small fringe of Republican politicians/candidates are racist.

I am starting this thread with the very best of intentions. I have been called racist on this forum and I don't understand why. Just because I'm a Republican?!? I have black and Hispanic friends (I'm not just saying that; I just had drinks with a black friend the other day). I have always worked with blacks and Hispanics and have always seen them as the same as everyone else. I am not trying to start any kind of conflict. I am simply trying to start a discussion. I do hope we can welcome more of you in to our party. Yes, we need your votes, but even if we could win with zero minority votes I wouldn't want the GOP to win in that case or even with 20% of minority votes. Does a large group of minority voters fear the Republican Party? If so, why? And what can be done to change this?
All you have to do to understand why Blacks feel some republicans are racist is to go to facebook. Their own words about President Obama told it all. many feelings were hurt when those post were made.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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Well, the GOP took a beating among minority voters. That's pretty obvious. What I would like to do is start a dialogue with the minority voters on this forum (those who voted for Obama, obviously if you voted for Romney this doesn't apply to you) about changes the Republicans could make to attract you to their party. Some of you are fairly conservative. For those of you who have the idea that the Republican Party is a racist party, I would like to know why. While I understand there are some Republican voters who are racist and some conservative talk show personalities and the like, I fail to see how Republican politicians/candidates are racist. Even if there are a few isolated cases, I fail to see how the party platform or how the majority or even any minority other than perhaps a very small fringe of Republican politicians/candidates are racist.

I am starting this thread with the very best of intentions. I have been called racist on this forum and I don't understand why. Just because I'm a Republican?!? I have black and Hispanic friends (I'm not just saying that; I just had drinks with a black friend the other day). I have always worked with blacks and Hispanics and have always seen them as the same as everyone else. I am not trying to start any kind of conflict. I am simply trying to start a discussion. I do hope we can welcome more of you in to our party. Yes, we need your votes, but even if we could win with zero minority votes I wouldn't want the GOP to win in that case or even with 20% of minority votes. Does a large group of minority voters fear the Republican Party? If so, why? And what can be done to change this?
1.) Acknowledge that the vast majority of each minority group (blacks, hispanics, asians, etc) are hardworking individuals that are not seeking handouts.

2.) Acknowledge that the majority of the individuals that receive some form of welfare are not leeches and planning to stay on it forever because they just want handouts.

3.) Stick to your fiscally conservative policies when you are actually in office. Otherwise it makes you look like a hypocrite.

4.) Acknowledge that the game is rigged. But, it is what is it.

5.) Do not demonize those that do not hold the same values as you.

6.)???

7.) Profit!
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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This was actually one of the few good discussion on P&OC. It is really candid and you can see what people are really thinking and why minorities actually voted in favor of Obama. And occasional trolling from Edward of course.
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