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Old 11-20-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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Would be hilarious to see that doughy con Rove in an orange jumpsuit...
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I despise Karl Rove, but this sound fishy.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: FL
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R.I.P. Ham Rove
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: FL
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They couldn't get their polling right and don't know how they would pull that off. I wouldn't be surprised tho if it does end up being true.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Can someone explain to me how Karl Rove and Grover Norquist somehow gained the fealty of the right wing? Seriously, it's as if they make a pact with the devil to brainwash half the population into believing they aren't unqualified lumps of clay.
Do you remember how Rove was called 'Bush's brain'?
Karl was an acolyte of Lee Atwater, the greatest political dirty trickster of all time. Atwater's entire purpose in life was to win at all costs, using everything available, legal or illegal, with no compunction. He was a Zen master of the lethal lie and the even more deadly half truth. He won Bush #1 his term, and died of brain cancer about 2 years later. He spent is last days in deep repentance for all his terrible deeds at age 44.

Rove was young then, in man love with Bush #2, and tried his best to learn everything Atwater did. He was Lee's close assistant in some elections, including Bush's Gubernatorial election in Texas. Atwater worked on that one too.

Now that his Bushes are both out of the game for good, Rove has had a hard time keeping his influential toehold in the party as a paid operative. Romney was the guy the big eastern money boys, who all helped the neo-cons the most, liked the best.
It's hard to say who courted who. Romney and his own team were good at raising money, but Rove used his old connections to fund Super Pacs and the Dark Groups in support of Romney. Both types of organizations can support anyone they want and don't have the same restrictions the candidates' treasurers have.

I don't think Rove and Romney liked or trusted each other, but Mitt wasn't going to turn down any money that was spent in his support.
Rove wanted to re-establish his fred as a winning operative. As long as he's paid (very handsomely) for his services, he doesn't care anymore who the winning person is. All he wants is his old power back and more money coming in.

He was a total failure this time. His investors contributed almost a billion dollars and none of Rove's candidates won. Rove's groups also heavily spent money on all the Senate races in the key states that all went for the Democrats. That's why there has been so much in the news about Rove's backers getting nothing for their investments lately.

His disgrace is complete, but the Marshmallow Man has a lizard brain. He won't quit until he's finally tossed into the alley dumpster by a couple of bouncers.

Grover Norquist is just another Representative. He has an undistinguished career in the House, but his pledge gave his caucus an over-sized share of power for the past 4 years. All his caucus firmly stood to No New Taxes, and have been the most solid obstructionists on all fiscal and revenue matters.

He cooked up a very restrictive no new taxes pledge for one of his past campaigns long ago, and challenged all Republicans to sign and adhere to it. His pledge was a big deal in 2004 and 2006, but by 2008, fewer candidates were willing to sign it, and in 2012, even fewer signed. Republicans at all levels, from local to Federal, have received the Norquist pledge. Norquist publishes lists of those who have signed or refused, and those lists are sent everywhere as a tool in both primary and general elections all over the country.

Now that a tax increase of some kind is inevitable, both Federally and in all the State and local levels in most of the country, Norquist's pledge has become a cross that will crucify those who signed, especially after all the obstruction of the past 4 years. The citizens want the deadlock broken, period. His caucus is now rapidly falling apart; all the incumbents that won races by the skin of their teeth have dropped out, and even the teabaggers who won have shaky knees now in the caucus meetings.

Norquist may stick around; he's a senior incumbent, and incumbents are mostly re-elected. There are always going to be a few who will take his pledge as long as it appears to give them an election advantage, but as a powerful political principle, the Norquist pledge is going to be soon forgotten as a remnant of the past.

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Old 11-20-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Grover Norquist is just another Representative. He has an undistinguished career in the House, but his pledge gave his caucus an over-sized share of power for the past 4 years. All his caucus firmly stood to No New Taxes, and have been the most solid obstructionists on all fiscal and revenue matters.

Norquist may stick around; he's a senior incumbent, and incumbents are mostly re-elected.
LOL, banjomike. Grover is a lobbyist - NOT a U.S. Representative, incumbent or otherwise. Ha - he may seem like a member of the House because of his influence, but he has no election or reelection worries.

Grover Norquist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

That said, I totally believe the tale from Anonymous. A European, apparently, judging from his writing style. Elections have always been stolen. Both of Bush's elections were stolen.

These hackers count on the gullibility and naivete of the electorate to get away with these dirty tricks, made very easy these days with technology. Americans are still quite simple in many ways.

FL hacking:

Hacking Democracy - Full Length - YouTube


More FL hacking attempts:

Rigged USA Elections Exposed - YouTube

Serious vote flipping to Bush in Ohio 2004, as well.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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Grover Norquist is just another Representative. He has an undistinguished career in the House, but his pledge gave his caucus an over-sized share of power for the past 4 years. All his caucus firmly stood to No New Taxes, and have been the most solid obstructionists on all fiscal and revenue matters....

Norquist may stick around; he's a senior incumbent, and incumbents are mostly re-elected.
Wow. You right-wingers really do live in an alternate universe. Norquist is an elected official, huh?

Hmmmm.....

Can you now see why people often question the intelligence of those on your side of the aisle?
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:41 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Wow. You right-wingers really do live in an alternate universe. Norquist is an elected official, huh?

Hmmmm.....

Can you now see why people often question the intelligence of those on your side of the aisle?
What I can't see is why Republicans have allowed Norquist to essentially blackmail them into a scheme he dreamed up when he was 12 years old.

Now - that is stoopid.

I hope his time has come and gone and he goes right back to living in his mother's basement.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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I've got sources telling me that Karl Rove is a reprehensible douchebag.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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Do you remember how Rove was called 'Bush's brain'?
Karl was an acolyte of Lee Atwater, the greatest political dirty trickster of all time. Atwater's entire purpose in life was to win at all costs, using everything available, legal or illegal, with no compunction. He was a Zen master of the lethal lie and the even more deadly half truth. He won Bush #1 his term, and died of brain cancer about 2 years later. He spent is last days in deep repentance for all his terrible deeds at age 44.

Rove was young then, in man love with Bush #2, and tried his best to learn everything Atwater did. He was Lee's close assistant in some elections, including Bush's Gubernatorial election in Texas. Atwater worked on that one too.

Now that his Bushes are both out of the game for good, Rove has had a hard time keeping his influential toehold in the party as a paid operative. Romney was the guy the big eastern money boys, who all helped the neo-cons the most, liked the best.
It's hard to say who courted who. Romney and his own team were good at raising money, but Rove used his old connections to fund Super Pacs and the Dark Groups in support of Romney. Both types of organizations can support anyone they want and don't have the same restrictions the candidates' treasurers have.

I don't think Rove and Romney liked or trusted each other, but Mitt wasn't going to turn down any money that was spent in his support.
Rove wanted to re-establish his fred as a winning operative. As long as he's paid (very handsomely) for his services, he doesn't care anymore who the winning person is. All he wants is his old power back and more money coming in.

He was a total failure this time. His investors contributed almost a billion dollars and none of Rove's candidates won. Rove's groups also heavily spent money on all the Senate races in the key states that all went for the Democrats. That's why there has been so much in the news about Rove's backers getting nothing for their investments lately.

His disgrace is complete, but the Marshmallow Man has a lizard brain. He won't quit until he's finally tossed into the alley dumpster by a couple of bouncers.

Grover Norquist is just another Representative. He has an undistinguished career in the House, but his pledge gave his caucus an over-sized share of power for the past 4 years. All his caucus firmly stood to No New Taxes, and have been the most solid obstructionists on all fiscal and revenue matters.

He cooked up a very restrictive no new taxes pledge for one of his past campaigns long ago, and challenged all Republicans to sign and adhere to it. His pledge was a big deal in 2004 and 2006, but by 2008, fewer candidates were willing to sign it, and in 2012, even fewer signed. Republicans at all levels, from local to Federal, have received the Norquist pledge. Norquist publishes lists of those who have signed or refused, and those lists are sent everywhere as a tool in both primary and general elections all over the country.

Now that a tax increase of some kind is inevitable, both Federally and in all the State and local levels in most of the country, Norquist's pledge has become a cross that will crucify those who signed, especially after all the obstruction of the past 4 years. The citizens want the deadlock broken, period. His caucus is now rapidly falling apart; all the incumbents that won races by the skin of their teeth have dropped out, and even the teabaggers who won have shaky knees now in the caucus meetings.

Norquist may stick around; he's a senior incumbent, and incumbents are mostly re-elected. There are always going to be a few who will take his pledge as long as it appears to give them an election advantage, but as a powerful political principle, the Norquist pledge is going to be soon forgotten as a remnant of the past.
Great post.
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