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Old 12-05-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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I can't believe there are so many racist here and who is trying to divide the Hispanics. You liberals only hate Rubio because he's not one of your cronies. I know its a cliche but divide and conquer. Rubio is such a cool cat, smart, articulate, handsome and HISPANIC.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Illeglas do not vote. Citizens do, and the GOP lost Latinos by 5 MILLION votes. They cannot overcome that; it is basic arithmetic.

They either need policies and rhetoric conducive to pulling in 43's 44% Latino share, or it is game, set, and match, and every 4 years, 2012 will bring back pleasant GOP memories regarding how much closer Romney got than future GOP nominees.

It is no longer a threat. It is reality. No amount of backwoods, Tea Party hissing fits can undo math.
And if they don't change it will just get worse from here.

There is a concerted long term effort to turn the State of Texas at least purple by 2020. If that happens there is no way that a Republican can be elected President and the party pretty much becomes a regional and niche party for old, Christian White Conservatives.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Well, you're correct but only by accident.

Yes, Rubio is a non-starter who will fail to deliver the votes of Hispanics, blacks and women.

The reason for this is that the recent transformation of the US political landscape is not based on race or gender but a candidate's willingness to pander.

Conservative Republicans, and especially those with Tea Party credentials, are pledged to treat all citizens equally,
That's hilarious, thanks for the laugh!

Everything else after "Are pledge to treat all citizens equally" isn't even worth your effort.

The Tea Party and Conservative Republicans are about the continued social, political and economic dominance about White Christians and White Christian males in particular.

Everything else is just window dressing.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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And if they don't change it will just get worse from here.

There is a concerted long term effort to turn the State of Texas at least purple by 2020. If that happens there is no way that a Republican can be elected President and the party pretty much becomes a regional and niche party for old, Christian White Conservatives.
Correct. The GOP ironically has the same problem as OTB; their base is dying, not replenished by younger voters coming of age. The Southern Strategy has been a devout failure. By 2020, no doubt, the GOP must begin to win at least 1-2 states on each coast (Mid Atlantic north on the eastern side).

19 states have been blue 6 straight times-243 electoral votes. Add in Va due to NOVA, plus NM, twice blue and demographic GOP timebombs, and Dems start each cycle within 1 state of 270.

In short, GOP must "run the table" from there-taking every swing state. Each of us is as likely to win Powerballl as the GOP is to pull that off.

When Bill Clinton talked about the deficit and taX rates saying "It's arithmetic", he could easily have said the same about the Huge GOP electoral math problem.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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and who was just elected in Texas to replace Kay Baily Hutcheson? Not only did he win, he defeated a very well known Republican to get the nomination..I guess your little information, which may not even be totally accurate means nothing, except to you..?? You are getting your inforamtion from a slightly slanted publication.
Unless you're a newbie here, or else you've totally gone over to the RWNJ ''dark side'' of ''it must be true 'cuz I said so'', then it's customary to cite a (competing) link to back up your claims. Or these days must we only quote from the conservative list of ''approved'' publications?

In fact that we're even discussing Rubio this much, is the same reason conservatives always like to show off TX.... simply because they got nuthin' else to point to!
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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I can't believe there are so many racist here and who is trying to divide the Hispanics. You liberals only hate Rubio because he's not one of your cronies. I know its a cliche but divide and conquer. Rubio is such a cool cat, smart, articulate, handsome and HISPANIC.
Who's trying to divide Hispanics? Who hates Rubio? What is so special about him being Hispanic?
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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Meanwhile in the real world, hispanic folks don't seem to share your criteria for hate (no doubt buried somewhere in those 30 ''gracious'' excuses why y'all lost)...

Conservative Latino Leader Quits GOP In Texas
DALLAS -- Lauro Garza, head of Somos Republicans, the largest organization of Latino conservatives in Texas, has quit the Republican Party because of what he described as the anti-Latino rhetoric of GOP leaders.

"There is no place for Latinos in the Republican Party", Garza, who had identified as a Republican for 30 years, said in Spanish.
What hate? Translation..... since the GOP wants our immigration laws enforced and respected that means they hate Latinos. What a crock!
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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Amnesty is going to happen. Just as it did in 1986 with the conservative hero Reagan. 12 million were NEVER going to be self deported this year, no matter who won 11/6.

I would love to hear political discourse about ways to reduce the flow of future illegal immigaration while also making the path to citizenship a far less onerous path. That would be useful, while the wing nut talk about 12 million is fruitless.
You and the Democrats are in for one hell of fight! The status quo is better than granting that number of illegal immigrants amnesty. We have 23 million Americans out of work. Does that mean nothiing to you? The path to citizenship is not an onerous path but the clincher is to come here legally first. Now that's a novel idea, right? Stop with the "wingnut" insults. It's childish and adolescent.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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You and the Democrats are in for one hell of fight! The status quo is better than granting that number of illegal immigrants amnesty. We have 23 million Americans out of work. Does that mean nothiing to you? .
Of 23 million, 22 million will not do the jobs these 12 million will, such as picking lettuce. So it means your post is a red herring.
Reagan had the same fight in 1986, and won it.

The major issue is not the 12 million, but the next wave, and for that, we need better border security which will mean major investment on our part.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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Of 23 million, 22 million will not do the jobs these 12 million will, such as picking lettuce. So it means your post is a red herring.
Reagan had the same fight in 1986, and won it.

The major issue is not the 12 million, but the next wave, and for that, we need better border security which will mean major investment on our part.
No, you're the one pulling the red herring. Only 3% of illegal immigrants are picking crops and for that there are unlimited H-2A visas so there is no excuse to hire illegal immigrants except for greed. The other 97% are doing jobs that Americans have always done. Do you not think that Americans won't do construction work for example? Illegal immigants flooded that market.

Reagan didn't have a fight because he thought he was only amnestying 1.5 million when 3 million stepped forward. We have a least 4 times that number today so expect a fight. It was shot down a few years ago when the Democrats tried to get an amnesty through congress and Americans shut down the phone lines objecting to it.

The solution is no amnesty, enforce our immigration laws on the books, build the wall and remove any incentive for illegals to continue to come here such as jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship.
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