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Old 11-27-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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The GOP are masters of the "free stuff" fantasy - free prescriptions for old people, unlimited defense spending that doesn't need to be paid for, perpetual war that doesn't need to be funded...
Where do I sign up for those free prescriptions? I'd like a piece of that.

Clearly, you haven't a clue.

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But not in places like Oklahoma, Texas, Tennessee, Arkansas, Kansas, Nebraska and other red states. People in these areas insulate themselves from other people that don't look like them, pray like them, think live them or live like them. Thus in the near term the "Crazy Train" will continue its journey into irrelevance for the foreseeable future urged on by Faux News, Limbaugh and Beck.
There's that failed public education again. Pssssssttttttttt: Fox is spelled "Fox".

 
Old 11-27-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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We are on our way to being Greece, except Greece has more hard working people than the US.
What a load of BS. The U.S. has the hardest working people in the world. Don't equate lack of jobs and opportunity with Americans' unwillingness to work. People who are still lucky enough to be employed in the U.S. work harder than in any other industrialized country in the world.

"Not only are Americans working longer hours than at any time since statistics have been kept, but now they are also working longer than anyone else in the industrialized world. And while workers in other countries have been seeing their hours cut back by legislation focused on preventing work from infringing on private life, Americans have been going in the other direction."

Americans: Overworked, Overstressed - ABC News

You are free to leave the country at any time and go to places where you perceive the population to be harder workers. You will not be missed.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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I am sure you and yours are celebrating. your side killed the American Rugged Individualist. I however am mourning the loss.
Rugged individualism is a myth. Frontier America was built around communitarian organization out of necessity.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I keep hearing all about America being a center right nation, how the conservative views of the Republican party are more in tune to the views of most Americans, how Obama was just too liberal for this country blah blah blah. If this is true, and Republicans hold the lock on America's moral compass, then why did you lose an election that you should have been able to win? And it wasn't a squeaker, you were soundly defeated!

I have to admit, all the anti Obama screaming and the tea party wave got me, as a liberal, kind of scared. I thought, "Maybe Obama has overstepped his bounds, maybe the progressive vision I have is considered an overreach by most people, maybe the US really is a center right country." My suspicions were not warranted. The radical Marxist Kenyan Socialist was reelected easily and his Democratic minions gained seats in the senate.

So I hope many of you who have been screeching for the past four years have seen the writing on the wall. Maybe you're the ones in the minority now, and maybe there's a new silent majority that's more progressive than you'd like to believe.
Have you looked at the candidates lately....Dole...McCain...Romney...what would one expect...it not what a candidate knows...it is how he looks on TV...AND how many freebies he promises from our busted budget!
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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What a load of BS. The U.S. has the hardest working people in the world. Don't equate lack of jobs and opportunity with Americans' unwillingness to work. People who are still lucky enough to be employed in the U.S. work harder than in any other industrialized country in the world.

"Not only are Americans working longer hours than at any time since statistics have been kept, but now they are also working longer than anyone else in the industrialized world. And while workers in other countries have been seeing their hours cut back by legislation focused on preventing work from infringing on private life, Americans have been going in the other direction."

Americans: Overworked, Overstressed - ABC News

You are free to leave the country at any time and go to places where you perceive the population to be harder workers. You will not be missed.
You think it's right the have to work harder? ever ask yourself why we have to do that? 53% of us are are carrying the other 47% How friggin hard will we have to work when it goes the other way????
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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You think it's right the have to work harder? ever ask yourself why we have to do that? 53% of us are are carrying the other 47% How friggin hard will we have to work when it goes the other way????
No, I don't think it's right. Nor do I believe that the 47% you love to tout also aren't hard working Americans. They are carrying a heavy load as well, often cobbling together two or three part time jobs just to keep themselves afloat. The contention that they, too, don't work hard is a ludicrous assertion by the right.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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clearly America doesnt support the republican platform. That does not mean the republican platform is wrong.
So taking away a woman's right to chose isn't wrong?

Having voter ID laws the disproportionally affect the poor and elderly isn't wrong?

Protecting the some of the lowest marginal and capital tax rates for the rich while cutting social spending for the poor during the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression isn't wrong?

Is seeing people of different religions, ethnic origins, sexual orientations and races as not being equals in America isn't wrong?


The fact you don't think the Republican platform isn't wrong is just a testament to a person's willingness to deny other Americans, rights, opportunity, and power for their own economic, social and political benefit.

Fewer and fewer Americans want to live in a country like that.

THAT ISN'T WRONG!
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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So OP think that Bush was right and Democrats were wrong to oppose him by the sam,e standards. I think what I see is a devide country and a spit conrgess has the people vote intended. Certainly mid terms and this eelctio show2s they wanted democrats polices after 2008 electiopns stopped. that is exactly what had happen too.Idf Democrats can deal with it then that's their probolem;as elections have consequences.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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Yes, because those folks in the PA districts that voted 100% for Obama DON'T insulate themselves from people that don't look like them, think like them, or act like them.

I live in Texas, and attended a holiday event on Friday. A friend from "blue" NY commented that she would never see such a diverse group of people at a similar event there. All colors, ages, dress, attitude at this event, all having a good time. They myth of those states being racist, etc., is just that - a myth. We just DON'T CARE here. That's the difference.
Conservatives don't care as long as people "Stay in their place".

Then Conservatives care a lot.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Originally Posted by workaholics View Post
I keep hearing all about America being a center right nation, how the conservative views of the Republican party are more in tune to the views of most Americans, how Obama was just too liberal for this country blah blah blah. If this is true, and Republicans hold the lock on America's moral compass, then why did you lose an election that you should have been able to win? And it wasn't a squeaker, you were soundly defeated!

I have to admit, all the anti Obama screaming and the tea party wave got me, as a liberal, kind of scared. I thought, "Maybe Obama has overstepped his bounds, maybe the progressive vision I have is considered an overreach by most people, maybe the US really is a center right country." My suspicions were not warranted. The radical Marxist Kenyan Socialist was reelected easily and his Democratic minions gained seats in the senate.

So I hope many of you who have been screeching for the past four years have seen the writing on the wall. Maybe you're the ones in the minority now, and maybe there's a new silent majority that's more progressive than you'd like to believe.
I have said this before, and I will repeat it again: since the U.S. is center-right (at least right now,) the Democrats need to run more moderate candidates than the Republicans do. So a lot of slightly right-leaning pragmatic types might support generally Republican policies, but see through the extreme positions and race-baiting that many on the Right are supporting and end up voting for Democrats instead. I still believe that a pragmatic conservative who actively and honestly seeks to work with concerns of all Americans, particularly but not exclusively minorities, would be unstoppable.
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