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Old 12-10-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: NJ
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that party is gone...
It is, and that's sad. Bush's comfort level with diverse groups is sorely missed in his party.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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If the Republican's don't distance themselves from the Tea Party very soon, they will continue to struggle to garner support from moderates.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Same one that beat Carter;Gore and Kerry in recent history.
That one is gone for good. Or at least until it comes to the conclusion that they have to change their thinking to win an election; the rest of the voters have pretty clearly demonstrated who they align with for the present.
Just as the evangelicals will remain Republicans, whether the party actually supports them or abandons them, the gays, the women, and the minorities will do the same. And I think that, because the Democrats actually do support all those groups with nothing but a bit of idle lip service, their fealty isn't going to be nearly as fickle as Republican hope it to be. The Democratic party actually believes in the same stuff they do.

Once the white middle class starts voting for it's own self interests, the Democrats are going to be very hard to beat.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:18 AM
 
Location: On the border of off the grid
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If the Republican's don't distance themselves from the Tea Party very soon, they will continue to struggle to garner support from moderates.
Actually, it was the GOP's pandering to "moderates" (Romneycare ring a bell?) and dissing of Tea Party Constitutional principles that cost them the election.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Actually, it was the GOP's pandering to "moderates" (Romneycare ring a bell?) and dissing of Tea Party Constitutional principles that cost them the election.
The sense of entitlement in your party is strong... both groups, ultra-conservatives and TP members are always going against the grain because they are so much smarter than the pack.

The person you describe... TP principled and conservative... will lose in a landslide. Your party isn't expanding and saying Constitution, Reagan and TP won't win elections. Mid Terms... yes, but POTUS, hellll no.

Honestly, you sound like one of those conservative radio talking heads and those guys are giving out the blueprint to defeat. They make more money when the left wins the POTUS.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:43 AM
 
Location: On the border of off the grid
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The sense of entitlement in your party is strong... both groups, ultra-conservatives and TP members are always going against the grain because they are so much smarter than the pack.

The person you describe... TP principled and conservative... will lose in a landslide. Your party isn't expanding and saying Constitution, Reagan and TP won't win elections. Mid Terms... yes, but POTUS, hellll no.

Honestly, you sound like one of those conservative radio talking heads and those guys are giving out the blueprint to defeat. They make more money when the left wins the POTUS.
Let me remind you that Obama only won with 51%, hardly a landslide. If the GOP had nominated a true Constitutional Conservative, odds are every Gary Johnson/Ron Paul voter would have voted Republican and we would have been facing a 2000 recount.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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Let me remind you that Obama only won with 51%, hardly a landslide. If the GOP had nominated a true Constitutional Conservative, odds are every Gary Johnson/Ron Paul voter would have voted Republican and we would have been facing a 2000 recount.
Let me remind you that the popular vote doesn't decide jack... it was an electoral landslide and until you guys admit it you will continue to lose

Every election will have a Paul or a Johnson running as a 3rd option because the constitutional Conservative is all about anti-establishment.... you can never be too conservative for the ultra conservative and the GOP nominee will always have this flaw. You guys want a nominee who will only cater to you even though he doesn't need YOU to win... he needs the middle and center right to win.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default A similar problem

I am concerned with which post Clinton era the Democrats will nominate in 2016. The Clinton’s are too old for the party and the job but I am not familiar with any Obama generation Democrats that will attract national support. At least we have two or three years to work this out.

I expect the three parts of the Republican Party, the old and big money, the moderates and the Nuevo Riche Republican radicals pining for a time that never existed, will continue their destructive in party squabble and settle on a candidate that can win the Republican nomination but not the Presidency.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:02 PM
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Let me remind you that Obama only won with 51%, hardly a landslide. If the GOP had nominated a true Constitutional Conservative, odds are every Gary Johnson/Ron Paul voter would have voted Republican and we would have been facing a 2000 recount.
What exactly is a true Constitutional Conservative, are they easier to find than a True Scotsman?

You are delusional if you think the people that voted for Gary Johnson/Ron Paul are going to vote for a pro-war, anti-choice, anti-gay, Christian theocrat Republican.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:24 PM
 
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You believe that Obama should stay on for a third term even with the "ammount of damage" he has done to this nation through his first term? This seems quite odd. Let's see how much more destruction he can cause during his second term before we get too far ahead of ourselves.
I said amount. You said "ammount" which is not a word. You blew this one...
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