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Old 12-13-2012, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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right after the election, I had seen some liberal shows do segments on how the House would have looked if not gerrymandered in 2010.

I was wondering if anyone knew where those results were ?
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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right after the election, I had seen some liberal shows do segments on how the House would have looked if not gerrymandered in 2010.

I was wondering if anyone knew where those results were ?
The libs say what they want and actually believe themselves: Grayson, in Fl would never have been elected had it not been for gerrymandering; There are several others...No one can know how this affects us, plus it happens on both sides, after every census...
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Here's a chart of presidential vote compared to house seats in states where Republicans handled redistricting:

House Democrats got more votes than House Republicans. Yet Boehner says he’s got a mandate?

It also has the vote totals, although it's not completely up to date.

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The libs say what they want and actually believe themselves: Grayson, in Fl would never have been elected had it not been for gerrymandering; There are several others...No one can know how this affects us, plus it happens on both sides, after every census...
Here we go with the false equivalence again. Yes, both sides do it, but the numbers show that Republicans have been much more successful at it, hence why they can maintain a strong majority in the House despite receiving fewer votes. States like PA are particularly glaring examples of gerrymandering run amok.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:29 PM
 
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The libs say what they want and actually believe themselves: Grayson, in Fl would never have been elected had it not been for gerrymandering; There are several others...No one can know how this affects us, plus it happens on both sides, after every census...
Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Grayson won after redistricting (in 2012) and before redistricting (in 2008). He lost in 2010 because of the Republican wave that year, not because he couldn't win without redistricting becaue... duh... he won the district in 2008. So given that he won before redistricting, it is clear he could win without it.

I mean, clear to people who aren't completely clueless.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Grayson won after redistricting (in 2012) and before redistricting (in 2008). He lost in 2010 because of the Republican wave that year, not because he couldn't win without redistricting becaue... duh... he won the district in 2008. So given that he won before redistricting, it is clear he could win without it.

I mean, clear to people who aren't completely clueless.
Not only is the post a personal attack (TOS violation) you really should do more research before going on such a name calling binge. It was pretty widely acknowledged that the FL redistricting hurt West.
Breaking down the Florida GOP’s redistricting map - The Washington Post

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Case in point are Reps. Tom Rooney and Allen West. Both of their South Florida districts got about four points more Democratic, which should make life significantly tougher for each of them. Rooney now has a more compact swing seat (the 18th) north of West Palm Beach, while West’s already Democratic-leaning 22nd district just south of Rooney’s became even more Democratic and will be tough for him to hold
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Michele Bachmann definitely would have lost without it.

It's impossible to have districts that are truly representative of the population, even when drawn by non-partisan commissions, because Democrats are more centralized than Republicans. You will always have some inner-city districts that are 70 or 80 percent Democratic or more.

Perhaps a fairer model would be to make them all wedge-shaped starting from a central point in downtown and radiating outward. Each would have a portion of the inner-city, suburbs, exurbs and beyond. It may hurt Democrats and much as Republicans, but it would make districts more competitive and centrist, and harder for activist fringe elements like the Tea Party to manipulate.

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Old 12-14-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Not only is the post a personal attack (TOS violation) you really should do more research before going on such a name calling binge. It was pretty widely acknowledged that the FL redistricting hurt West.
Breaking down the Florida GOP’s redistricting map - The Washington Post
So it's not enuff we put with your frequent rants at ''******* moonbats'', now you wanna play Moderator too...?!
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:02 PM
 
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So it's not enuff we put with your frequent rants at ''******* moonbats'', now you wanna play Moderator too...?!
No if I 'wanna play Moderator' I would have reported the post. I didn't bother since he was so ignominiously hoist on his own petard.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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The libs say what they want and actually believe themselves: Grayson, in Fl would never have been elected had it not been for gerrymandering; There are several others...No one can know how this affects us, plus it happens on both sides, after every census...
Considering the GOP was in charge of redistricting in 2000 and 2010 in FL, how exactly do you come up with that conclusion?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Considering the GOP was in charge of redistricting in 2000 and 2010 in FL, how exactly do you come up with that conclusion?
It wasn't so much a 'conclusion' as a common observation. There were some who figured that the GOP wanted Allen West out of the picture because he wasn't with the program--too extreme.
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