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Old 02-07-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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i say 50/50 vs biden.

i dont see anybody beating hillary if she jumps in.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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I don't see runbio as the candidate. Biden certainly has donw well as presdiential candiate i apost. I thiunk we will see someone like Christy on republican side but its way too early to tell. I think we will be able to tell more if Hillary starts to move away from Obama lfet of the party tpo her husband centralist in coming years.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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i say 50/50 vs biden.

i dont see anybody beating hillary if she jumps in.
More to the point -- can Rubio win the nomination?

The Republican Party does not nominate young candidates, or candidates that: a) have not run before, or b) do not have a political pedigree.

Maybe they will this time. But every cycle, legions of people just refuse to let history show them how the next nomination will pan out, and they insist that this time it's different! and the GOP will nominate some rising star. And they're always wrong. The GOP caucus/primary voters, the GOP political operatives, the GOP establishment and the GOP financiers simply do not back young, new-on-the-scene Presidential candidates.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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Rubio is a phony that is using people by pretending to be be something other than what he is., purely an opportunist.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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Rubio is a phony that is using people by pretending to be be something other than what he is., purely an opportunist.
Well duh, he is a politician.

It's like Joe Biden being for the blue collar guys....yet he signed NAFTA....which Hillary herself says was a blow to American workers.

Let's be honest, the american public wants the presidential candidate that is "likeable" even if they are a silverspooned idiot (Bush) or inexperienced (Obama) and so on and so forth.

I'd vote for Hillary for President, not Biden though....but either one of them will be pushed aside if a young charismatic dem steps forward in the primaries. Another Bill Clinton, Obama etc. would SLAUGHTER Biden or Hillary in the primaries, let's not kid ourselves.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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Rubio is a phony that is using people by pretending to be be something other than what he is., purely an opportunist.
So, he should understand Obama quite well then since obama is the boiggest liar and opprtunist that there has ever been.
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Well duh, he is a politician.

It's like Joe Biden being for the blue collar guys....yet he signed NAFTA....which Hillary herself says was a blow to American workers.

Let's be honest, the american public wants the presidential candidate that is "likeable" even if they are a silverspooned idiot (Bush) or inexperienced (Obama) and so on and so forth.

I'd vote for Hillary for President, not Biden though....but either one of them will be pushed aside if a young charismatic dem steps forward in the primaries. Another Bill Clinton, Obama etc. would SLAUGHTER Biden or Hillary in the primaries, let's not kid ourselves.
I disagree. Hillary lost to Obama because of the way the democratic primary works not because he was charismatic .

Hillary won the popular vote in 2008 ( Obama's name was not on the ballot in michigan) so it is not as if Barack destroyed her at all.

Hillary won Texas, California, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio.

if the Democratic Primary had been winner take all instead of Proportional like the majority of Republican primaries, Hillary Clinton would be president right now, not Barack and it would have been a land slide.

putting it in line with the current electoral map, she would have had 311 electoral votes in the Dem primaries(im not using delegates because im not trying to calculate all those numbers). What really killed Hillary was the super delegates.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Can Rubio beat Biden or Hillary? If the election were today, he would cream Biden, maybe not beat Hillary, it certainly would be a tough one. That being said, I am not sure he will be the nominee, 3 years is a long time, even 2 years and that is how far away we are from a clue to who will be running and who is likely to get the nomination of either party.

As for Florida Bobs comment about him being a phony and opportunist: phoney I don't know, I will wait to see how things go before judging, we all would be wise to do this; opportunist: of course, why wouldn't he be and why shouldn't he be?
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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I imagine Rubio will have a hard time winning the nomination now that he has officially endorsed a sane immigration reform plan. Sanity doesn't play well in a GOP primary.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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I imagine Rubio will have a hard time winning the nomination now that he has officially endorsed a sane immigration reform plan. Sanity doesn't play well in a GOP primary.
Nope. Rubio is finished. I cant imagine who among the current crop would be elected. But, we know one thing. Barring any huge Democrat screwups, I think 2016 is going to be yet another {D} in the big house
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