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Old 05-02-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Think about this.... it was the TEA Party supported election, that turned it red.

Mitt had NO TEA Party support. NONE! They were thrown out of the Caucuses, with Ron Paul changing their own GOP rules on the fly, to silence him.


The media Gate Keepers, will not allow a Conservative get near the office.
Meh. It doesn't take much in Texas to turn red into a deeper shade of red.
Paul was a flop. Was he overlooked by the media? Yup. But if he had actually won a a few state primaries, the media couldn't have afforded to ignore him.

It is not that he was silenced. It was that he was heard, but too many voters didn't care as much as you did about what he said. If he had decided to run one more time in his Texas district, I'm sure he would have skated in to another term. That is the only true measure of the popularity of his message.

Paul is a good object lesson, though. If he had dropped some of his positions, he may have gathered in some of the independents who lean blue, but he would have lost some teabaggers. If he had moderated some positions, he may have been more attractive than Mitt, but would have lost some teabaggers. As it is, he kept his teabaggers and they weren't enough to make a difference for him when the chips were down.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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Amazing that the GOP is replacing the old crazies with new, younger and even more crazies. I guess they think that they haven't failed they just haven't achieved optimal nuttiness yet. And yet they achieved it so very long ago.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Amazing that the GOP is replacing the old crazies with new, younger and even more crazies. I guess they think that they haven't failed they just haven't achieved optimal nuttiness yet. And yet they achieved it so very long ago.
I don't think Texas and Cruz are necessarily examples of the GOP as a whole.
For sure, Massachusetts is not typical of the Democratic Party, and both parties have extremes within them. I agree with the other comments that say Americans have had enough Texans as presidents to last for a long time to come.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:41 PM
 
Location: #
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I love him as a Texas senator...but he'll never run for the GOP presidential nod. The MSM, really just the PR arm of the Democrat party, will do everything they can to Palinize him.
So in other words, the MSM will let them be themselves and you'll be in denial that they are lousy candidates.

Got it!
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:01 PM
 
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I am not talking about legit concerns. I am talking about rumors flying all over......
i hear you. that's why i find birtherism so fascinating. the entire belief is based on taking rumor, smear, speculation and amateur opinion as absolute fact.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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I am talking about name calling and insults, not whether the American people want someone from a certain state in the White House. Your making a comment like that is just an other example of how you can't think of anything positive to say, so you will continue with the negatives. You have no idea, nor do I, if the country does or doesn't want a Texas in the White House for heavens sake. Since when do we pick our future leaders based on where they reside? Talk about immature and not using ones head. .WOW!!! Of course your comments about people missing brain cells, wouldn't you call that a little out of line or do you think those comments should just be overlooked?
Meh...don't know why you're singling me out for out of line comments. I can find any number of threads where people are tossing insults far worse than anything i'm saying, and i don't see you there complaining.

Anyway, what is there to say positive about Ted Cruz? I can't think of anything.

I know you don't wanna hear it, but seriously, Texas Republicans are simply too far to the right. Cruz is even MORE wacko than usual because he's a Tea Party guy and from Texas to boot. That's just not gonna play on the national stage. And worse, in an election environment, he's gonna become even more extreme because Republicans demand red meat even when whole carcasses are being thrown at them....there's never enough blood on the floor to make them happy, and Ted Cruz is just the kind of guy that won't be able to resist. He'll end up saying something like he's gonna end social security or something worse, and he'll just tank in the polls.

But whatever...nominate him. He'll get to the White House one day...on a visit.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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wow, do you have to add insults when you post something? You don't like him, you are a lib, that is fine. I don't think he is ready to run for Pres. as a matter of fact, but why the slams? Does it make the candidates on the left seem like better choices or are there no Democrat choices to talk about, so the only thing left is the attempt to destroy every Republican that might run?
When you have someone who has said some of the rather asinine stuff that has come out of Cruz's mouth or come up with some off the wall conspiracy theories as he has come up with, then yes there will be slams
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I am talking about name calling and insults, not whether the American people want someone from a certain state in the White House. Your making a comment like that is just an other example of how you can't think of anything positive to say, so you will continue with the negatives. You have no idea, nor do I, if the country does or doesn't want a Texas in the White House for heavens sake. Since when do we pick our future leaders based on where they reside? Talk about immature and not using ones head. .WOW!!! Of course your comments about people missing brain cells, wouldn't you call that a little out of line or do you think those comments should just be overlooked?
I don't think the point was all about where they reside, but rather the type of ideology Politicians from certain parts of the country need to have in order to be elected there not matching up with what is needed in order to have a shot of winning nationally. Fact of the matter is Cruz is FAR to the right on an ideological scale. Granted his voting record is thin at this point, but what he has stated about his views, and his rhetoric clearly puts him in the camp of the far right. He is simply too far to the right on an ideological scale in order to win nationally. The point about Texas, is the fact they tend to have quite a few of those that are a fit for the state ideology wise, but simply unelectable on a national level. Perry is one, simply way too far right socially to win nationally. You also have those like Congressman Stockman and Gohmert who would likely be in an insane asylum someplace if they weren't members of Congress.

Granted, Cruz has a bit more intellect than they do, but that isn't going to make someone with his ideology electable on a national level. The same is basically true for other high profile Texas Republicans. The ideology you need to have in order to make a name for yourself in the state and get elected is simply too far right to have a chance on a national level.
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: #
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I don't think Texas and Cruz are necessarily examples of the GOP as a whole.
For sure, Massachusetts is not typical of the Democratic Party, and both parties have extremes within them. I agree with the other comments that say Americans have had enough Texans as presidents to last for a long time to come.
I would argue Cruz isn't even a representation of Texas Republican anymore. People were really fed up with Perry to the point that they wanted his AG (Dewhurst; Cruz's opponent) out. Cruz talks a great game in Texas, but the thing is he's down to 36 percent approval in a state as red as Texas.

I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it to a second term.
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:21 AM
 
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I wondered if there was a National Dog Catcher position.
And here come the liberal trolls, bent on Palin-izing him, right on cue.

Harvard Law grad, Editor of the Harvard Law Review (who actually has works that can be accessed and read), described as "off-the-charts brilliant" by his law professor, has presented 9 oral arguments before the supreme court, Solicitor General of Texas, Hispanic, and named One of the 50 Best Litigators under 45 in America.

All before the age of 45. All the things Obama wishes he was, but can't come close to. No wonder liberals fear him, and feel the need to attack.
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