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Old 08-13-2013, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I am lost. With the new NC voter supression law, the Gov used a phase, "rampant and undetected" describing voter fraud??? Can someone explain how something undetected could be known to be rampant?
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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I am lost. With the new NC voter supression law, the Gov used a phase, "rampant and undetected" describing voter fraud??? Can someone explain how something undetected could be known to be rampant?
He means some Democratic votes are somehow getting through. Got to stop that.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:46 AM
 
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Or option number three--moderate Republicans actually engage in the process and wrest control of their party away from the far right. Again, I say that the moderates are much to blame for where their party is right now by being too afraid of the Tea Party to speak out against them. Silence equals consent.
The numbers aren't there for the moderates to do it--the tea party has the majority now in the GOP, and that's the problem. According to Gallups latest polling, R's and leaning R are only 40% of the electorate, but a tad over half of those R or R leaning want to go further right. The teavangelicals are a majority of the GOP, but they're barely over 20% of the electorate. They can't move the party forward with those numbers. I think they're going to have to crash and burn the whole thing before there's any significant change in the GOP, and until there's room again for sane R's to wrestle back control. If they keep drifting further far right, they'll continue to lose chunks of the base. It's just a matter of time.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I am lost. With the new NC voter supression law, the Gov used a phase, "rampant and undetected" describing voter fraud??? Can someone explain how something undetected could be known to be rampant?
I really do not know, nor do any of us how much voter fraud occurs, but I can't understand the resistance to voter ID. As has been stressed over and over: getting a state approved Id is simple and free: The argument about people not being close to a facility that can offer them is just false. If someone really wants one, there are ways. How do people cash checks, buy booze, sometimes even use a cc without Id? Even the elderly can get a government approved Id even if they no longer drive...
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: NC
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I really do not know, nor do any of us how much voter fraud occurs, but I can't understand the resistance to voter ID. As has been stressed over and over: getting a state approved Id is simple and free: The argument about people not being close to a facility that can offer them is just false. If someone really wants one, there are ways. How do people cash checks, buy booze, sometimes even use a cc without Id? Even the elderly can get a government approved Id even if they no longer drive...
ID isn't free in NC.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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Lately I've been disturbed by the extremism in the Republican Party. I am a moderate Republican. Allow me to explain my beliefs and why I am a moderate Republican, why I am worried about the future of the Republican Party, and why I remain a Republican.

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I recognize the nature of the American political system lends itself to a two party system. I believe we need a strong center-right party, and it is my hope the GOP can become a home for those of us on the center-right again. I recognize you need to run candidates who appeal to the electorate. I do not want to kick Rick Perry or more conservative Republicans out of the Republican Party, but I do think moderates must reassert their voice and hold down their feet to keep the right from kicking us out.
I consider myself independent, but my views are similar to yours. Only, I'm neutral on abortion, I'm pro-gun, and I am an adherent to what is known as "heterodox economics."

When the rubber meets the road, I ignore 99% of the issues and focus on the candidates whose views reflect my own heterodox understanding of economics. This tends to be other folks who exist as a bizarre hybrid of libertarian-socialists. Perverse modern finance is the sole reason why a rural white South Carolinian like myself is open to the idea of socialism.

Like you, I'm frustrated with the two-party system. I just don't see how the duopoly can be broken.
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Old 08-14-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I really do not know, nor do any of us how much voter fraud occurs, but I can't understand the resistance to voter ID. As has been stressed over and over: getting a state approved Id is simple and free: The argument about people not being close to a facility that can offer them is just false. If someone really wants one, there are ways. How do people cash checks, buy booze, sometimes even use a cc without Id? Even the elderly can get a government approved Id even if they no longer drive...
I think the highlighted are key words. Most of us, cannot understand the reality of the world in which so many of the disenfranchised people live. There are also too many who could care less about finding out.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I really do not know, nor do any of us how much voter fraud occurs, but I can't understand the resistance to voter ID. As has been stressed over and over: getting a state approved Id is simple and free: The argument about people not being close to a facility that can offer them is just false. If someone really wants one, there are ways. How do people cash checks, buy booze, sometimes even use a cc without Id? Even the elderly can get a government approved Id even if they no longer drive...
Its not free......
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I think the highlighted are key words. Most of us, cannot understand the reality of the world in which so many of the disenfranchised people live. There are also too many who could care less about finding out.
Exactly, fact of the matter is those without ID are in large part the poorest of the poor.
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:53 AM
 
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I am lost. With the new NC voter supression law, the Gov used a phase, "rampant and undetected" describing voter fraud??? Can someone explain how something undetected could be known to be rampant?
Got to love the latest liberal talking point. Every left wing site out there must be blasting out the instructions to label Voter ID laws as Voter Suppression Laws. It is simply ridiculous. I have yet to have one single liberal explain how in the world requiring a photo ID would impact either the rights or the abilities of one single person that is legally eligible to vote from doing so. They simply cannot back up their assertions that these efforts to reduce voter fraud will prevent anyone from voting. The IDs required by the proposed legislation in all cases are provided free of charge by the States proposing the laws.

Enter the predictable deflection of "voter fraud isn't a large problem", well unless you look at the state of Ohio in 2012 for a recent few examples, followed by the weak arguments of "it isn't the cost of the ID, it's the cost of the source documents, or the distance to the DMV, or the planets are not in alignment...."

Bottom line, you need a photo ID to do almost anything these days. Cash checks, use credit cards, travel, almost any transaction involving the government. Why not require one to vote? It will reduce fraud for both sides of the equation. I wonder why only one group would have such a vested interest in opposing it?
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