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Old 09-02-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Dems doesn't start with 260, I don't know where you get to that conclusion.
19 states blue since 1988, plus NM and VA. News flash-that is why major networks polling orgs can call states 1 minute after they close. They are locked red or blue, polls indicate during the day , the impending landslide.

Now what kills the GOP is their locked states lack people, and bison do not count in the census towards electoral votes.

A poster correctly stated GOP could easily lose EV and get 52% of the vote.

That is what happens when a party stinks at appealing to states with dense population.

 
Old 09-02-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: NJ
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It would be nearly impossible for a Republican to win with only 30 percent of the Hispanic or Asian vote. So any candidate that opposes some sort of amnesty can write off those groups. If the Dems carry New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado, three states with large Hispanic populations the GOP is finished. In 2012 even if Romney would of won Ohio, Virginia and Florida he still would not of reached 270EV. Also I would bet the so-called Conservatives that did not come out to vote for the most part come from states that are already solid red. Like I said before a Republican could win 52 percent of the popular vote but still lose the election.

 
Old 09-02-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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No, I'd like a center-right party and an actual liberal party, that likely won't happen. I don't like Christie, Im saying he'd be the most formidable Republican candidate. You claim not to be hard right but feel the Tea Party is moderate and call moderate Republicans like Christie RINOs? lmao You should tell the other Republicans on here they don't need the White House to govern, lots seem to be upset that Obama is president so you shoukl inform them that the presidency is irrelevant, I've been following politics for years and I wasn't aware of this!



1) are your this critical of the democrat party? because many extremists in that party also.

2) the GOP primaries haven't started and now you are crowning Chrisitie as the most formidable candidate?....LMAO! lets play the media's game and crown Hillary and Christie for the nomination because that's what they want.......what makes Christie formidable outside of New Jersey?.....he has to run in the primary and see where he stands on issues and how he handles pressure then we can judge if he is formidable or not. Right now the media pushing his name just like Hillary........you know what usually happens to early favorites to win the nomination, they usually don't win.


3) I don't see as many republicans upset that Obama is president like many democrat/liberals were upset that Bush was their president for 8 years......funny how some have a selective memory when the shoe is on the other side.

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Old 09-02-2013, 05:45 PM
 
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It would be nearly impossible for a Republican to win with only 30 percent of the Hispanic or Asian vote. So any candidate that opposes some sort of amnesty can write off those groups. If the Dems carry New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado, three states with large Hispanic populations the GOP is finished. In 2012 even if Romney would of won Ohio, Virginia and Florida he still would not of reached 270EV. Also I would bet the so-called Conservatives that did not come out to vote for the most part come from states that are already solid red. Like I said before a Republican could win 52 percent of the popular vote but still lose the election.


so we have to be for amnesty for the democrats to win votes? God help us all,.....that will lower our wages and raise unemployment.

be careful what you wish for.


I really doubt that Democrats will run a black charismatic good politician candidate like Obama in every election that they will have a lock on hispanics in New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado.

Elections are won on who is the more likeable candidate.....in the last 2 elections it was Obama.......the democrats ran Gore and Kerry before that and lost.............who are the democrats going to run in 2016 that is a fresh new look and very likeable?.....it comes down to who has the most likeable personality as a candidate , always has been that way.

That's how you explain that the U.S. has 30 governors Republicans and 20 democrats......the country will vote in for the most likeable candidate, it has nothing to do with republican or democrat.


whatever happened in 2012, you can throw out the window in 2016,....new candidates and the most likeable candidate will have the best chances of winning.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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1) are your this critical of the democrat party? because many extremists in that party also.

2) the GOP primaries haven't started and now you are crowning Chrisitie as the most formidable candidate?....LMAO! lets pay the media's game and crown Hillary and Christie for the nomination because that's what they want.......what makes Christie formidable outside of New Jersey?.....he has to run in the primary and see where he stands on issues and how he handles pressure then we can judge if he is formidable or not. Right now the media pushing his name just like Hillary........you know what usually happens to early favorites to win the nomination, they usually don't win.


3) I don't see as many republicans upset that Obama is president like many democrat/liberals were upset that Bush was their president for 8 years......funny how some have a selective memory when the shoe is on the other side.
1. You dont see Dems running hard left liberals in West Virginia or Indiana senate seats. GOP in 2012 alone lost winnable seats in Indiana, North Dakota and Missouri because they nominated right wing extremists. I have no idea why you feel the need to stick your head in the sand about this and pretend Dems do it just as much, its only your own party you're hurting by pretending it doesnt exist.

2. I'm not trying to crown Christie for anything, I'd prefer he not be the candidate since any other candidate is certain to lose. You can't even name a candidate who would be more electable yet you put words in my mouth like I like the guy, the hallmark of badly losing an argument, trying to outright lie about what I said and didnt say.

3. LOL Republicans don't mind Obama being president? Make sure to tell them how irrelevant the presidency is, they didn't seem too happy about it. Yea of course liberals were unhappy Bush was president, he was horrible in so many ways. Obama sucks too but is less bad. I don't recall saying Democrats didn't care about Bush being president, again you put words in my mouth since you can't argue based on anything I actually said, you have to pretend like I said something ludicrous and respond to that
 
Old 09-02-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Rush71, Explain what the GOP has that can break the solid since 1988 blue state giant starting point edge vs the GOP. South Dakota is not about to gain 40 electoral votes after all.

One thing GOP can do is win NJ's EVs via Christie. He'd also likely take Pa.

Doubling down on winning South Dakota by 30 points instead of 20 does SQUAT for the GOP.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 05:56 PM
 
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Rush71, Explain what the GOP has that can break the solid since 1988 blue state giant starting point edge vs the GOP. South Dakota is not about to gain 40 electoral votes after all.

One thing GOP can do is win NJ's EVs via Christie. He'd also likely take Pa.

Doubling down on winning South Dakota by 30 points instead of 20 does SQUAT for the GOP.

read my last post, the winner of all presidential elections in the last 75 years has been the most likeable candidate. Both parties can win any of the branches in any election, they have proven that.

When the democrats win the WH 4 in a row like FDR then you have have point but they haven't and even the FDR democrat dynasty came to an end 16 years later and you couldn't get more likeable than FDR.



Obama was a better candidate than Mccain and Romney.......if the democrats can do that in every election and be united then their chances are very good.....but you have to take into account that a party gets divided in a contested primary and other circumstances like the economy could affect election results.......democrats will have a primary in 2016 of a bunch of candidates and Obama won't be running for re-election......all bets all off.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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so we have to be for amnesty for the democrats to win votes? God help us all,.....that will lower our wages and raise unemployment.

be careful what you wish for.


I really doubt that Democrats will run a black charismatic good politician candidate like Obama in every election that they will have a lock on hispanics in New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado.

Elections are won on who is the more likeable candidate.....in the last 2 elections it was Obama.......the democrats ran Gore and Kerry before that and lost.............who are the democrats going to run in 2016 that is a fresh new look and very likeable?.....it comes down to who has the most likeable personality as a candidate , always has been that way.

That's how you explain that the U.S. has 30 governors Republicans and 20 democrats......the country will vote in for the most likeable candidate, it has nothing to do with republican or democrat.


whatever happened in 2012, you can throw out the window in 2016,....new candidates and the most likeable candidate will have the best chances of winning.
Mickey Mouse would have a lock on Hispanic votes if the GOP candidate talks self deportation. Over 60 percent of legal Hispanics and Asians have either friends or family in the country illegally and will vote against anyone that wants to force them to leave.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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The GOP’s biggest problem is that Democrats start with 246 electoral votes
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Originally Posted by Can a Republican Win 270 Electoral Votes in 2016...or Ever?
The GOP’s biggest problem is that Democrats start with 246 electoral votes. As Republicans gear up to “take back the White House” conservatives need to be aware of one startling fact: in 2012 if Romney had won the three swing states of Ohio, Florida, and Virginia, he still would have lost the election.
I am not overly impressed with this article. It is well known that the Democrats probably need only two dozen electoral college votes to win (270-246=24), even before either side has picked a candidate.

In 2012 the Democrats won an extra 7 states, giving them well more than the 24 they needed. In fact they could have won it without any of the three big swing states.

Nevada 6
Iowa 6
New Mexico 5
Colorado 9
Virginia 13
Ohio 18
Florida 29


But the Democrats won those 7 states by 3.2% . I wouldn't call that impossible. Just very very difficult.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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1. You dont see Dems running hard left liberals in West Virginia or Indiana senate seats. GOP in 2012 alone lost winnable seats in Indiana, North Dakota and Missouri because they nominated right wing extremists. I have no idea why you feel the need to stick your head in the sand about this and pretend Dems do it just as much, its only your own party you're hurting by pretending it doesnt exist.

2. I'm not trying to crown Christie for anything, I'd prefer he not be the candidate since any other candidate is certain to lose. You can't even name a candidate who would be more electable yet you put words in my mouth like I like the guy, the hallmark of badly losing an argument, trying to outright lie about what I said and didnt say.

3. LOL Republicans don't mind Obama being president? Make sure to tell them how irrelevant the presidency is, they didn't seem too happy about it. Yea of course liberals were unhappy Bush was president, he was horrible in so many ways. Obama sucks too but is less bad. I don't recall saying Democrats didn't care about Bush being president, again you put words in my mouth since you can't argue based on anything I actually said, you have to pretend like I said something ludicrous and respond to that


1) so you are saying the democrat party don't run left wing extremists?......they dont have socialists in the party?......funny how the media only focus on the extremists of the republican party and ignores the extremists of the left.


2) I don't know much about Christie, Im not from New Jersey. He has to run a full national primary and take stands on issues before I can say he is a formidable candidate for president. It was you that said he was a formidable candidate.......because he is a moderate in a liberal state?.....you make it sound like a conservative is a bad word.....LOL


3) You brought up the thing that republicans dont like Obama, when has a party liked a President from the opposing party? what's new here?.........and my point was that you didn't get is our country is built with divided powers. The President is not king, meaning there are other branches of government that matters too not just the WH..........I rather have control of a state and congress than the WH, that's just my opinion......its kinda hard to pass your agenda as president when congress and the states are from an opposing party......just saying........
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