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Old 11-27-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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I would say that while the American people feel very strongly — and this is, by the way, across the board, Democrats, Republicans and independents — in opposition to cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, inside the Beltway, the political establishments, there is support for cuts to those terribly important programs.

So those are some of the issues that are out there that need discussing. We have a middle class that is disappearing, and somebody has got to be speaking strongly to defend our middle class.

Sanders has said before he'd consider a 2016 run, telling the Burlington Free Press in November he felt there should be a progressive presence in the race.

"Under normal times, it's fine, you have a moderate Democrat running, a moderate Republican running," Sanders said. "These are not normal times. The United States right now is in the middle of a severe crisis and you have to call it what it is."

Bernie Sanders Reveals Why He Might Run For President In 2016
Would be great to see Sanders debate right wing radicals and any other primary candidate for that matter...
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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No offense, but anyone who calls THEMSELVES a socialist has no chance in the General election, or even many Southern/Western Primaries.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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No offense, but anyone who calls THEMSELVES a socialist has no chance in the General election, or even many Southern/Western Primaries.
Doesn't matter what Sanders calls himself, his stances need to be heard in debates and he would wipe the floor with radicals. Many hopeful candidates use the primaries as platforms with ulterior motives. Gingrich uses them as free advertising to sell books so Sanders would have a great place to bring his common sense approach and stances to the foreground. Sanders' ideology would be well recieved just as Elizabeth Warren's are.

Senator Elizabeth Warren And The New Economic Populism

Yep, do not underestimate what a younger population is hungry for.

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Old 11-27-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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Go Bernie Go!

We need a true progressive in the campaign, not just tired old Killary.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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Go Bernie Go!

We need a true progressive in the campaign, not just tired old Killary.
The last true Progressive that ran was Dennis Kucinich in 2008 and the powers that be underhandedly knocked him out of one of the most important debates on a ridiculous technicality. Sanders, Kucinich or Warren would be wildly popular with Progressives.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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But I think people might not like but they realize just as many in Greece and others do now that the present programs are unsustainable and more and more favor reform to save their very existence. He also like realizes he isn't getting more taxes at level it would take to make them sustainable. Not liking something is much different from supporting it because one know it has to be done.
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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If he is running just to get a point across, I have no problems with that: yes, many have, Ron Paul for starters. That being said, he stands no chance of going anywhere. Let him give it a shot, he will not change many peoples minds, and would be as good a choice as Warren...

Let me tell you how I feel about all this talk from the libs about the right wanting to eliminate SS; medicare and Medicaid:; The attempt is not to end it, but to save it: do you really think money grows on trees? SS was never meant to be a sole source of support for anyone, but a little bit of help. It wasn't meant to be enjoyed for 20 or 30 years. People, when SS was approved were living a couple of years collecting it. Now, many collect 30 or more years. The same with medicare. It wasn't meant to be the only form of insurance for seniors, it was approved so the burden would not be as great for them. originally it didn't cover nearly as much as it does now. Heck, if nothing else, who heard of knee replacements in 1965? The same story with medicaid. If changes are not made and soon, the middle class will be taxed to up the whatever and the programs still will not be able to support themselves.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Would be great to see Sanders debate right wing radicals and any other primary candidate for that matter...
It would be as interesting to see him in the primary debates also. The problem will be Hillary will get 5 questions. Biden will get 5 questions and Sanders might get 2.
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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If he is running just to get a point across, I have no problems with that: yes, many have, Ron Paul for starters. That being said, he stands no chance of going anywhere. Let him give it a shot, he will not change many peoples minds, and would be as good a choice as Warren...

Let me tell you how I feel about all this talk from the libs about the right wanting to eliminate SS; medicare and Medicaid:; The attempt is not to end it, but to save it: do you really think money grows on trees? SS was never meant to be a sole source of support for anyone, but a little bit of help. It wasn't meant to be enjoyed for 20 or 30 years. People, when SS was approved were living a couple of years collecting it. Now, many collect 30 or more years. The same with medicare. It wasn't meant to be the only form of insurance for seniors, it was approved so the burden would not be as great for them. originally it didn't cover nearly as much as it does now. Heck, if nothing else, who heard of knee replacements in 1965? The same story with medicaid. If changes are not made and soon, the middle class will be taxed to up the whatever and the programs still will not be able to support themselves.
That is absolute bull **** and that is why Sanders needs the platform. Ryan wants to turn it into a voucher system gift to Wall Street. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are the only straight talkers on the issue.

On Social Security - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

Elizabeth Warren: Social Security Expansion Would Give The Middle Class A Fighting Chance
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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It would be as interesting to see him in the primary debates also. The problem will be Hillary will get 5 questions. Biden will get 5 questions and Sanders might get 2.
of course if they both run, you are right. This is what happened in the thousands of Republican debates last year. I just hope, regardless of who runs, on what ticket, we don't have 10 candidates on either side.
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