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Old 04-14-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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There is a price to pay for what you refer to as Affordable health care and most do not realize this. Plus ACA isn't really exactly that. It isn't all that affordable for many when you think of what many plans do not cover, plus we are losing doctors. 2 of hubby's doctors have left the medical field. Well, one left private practice and will be going to work for the VA because it isn't influenced by ACA and the other choose to take an early retirement. Add to that many of us have seen our deduct go up and our out of pocket cost for doctors visits and hospital stays increase.

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So because you perceive some problems with the ACA your parties solution is to scrap the whole thing without offering any alternative and basically go with the you're on your own attitude.. Not a very realistic solution to a problem that has 30-40 million people who for whatever reason cant get healthcare.
Most of the people i know in the USA who dont have health \care is because of pre-esxisting conditions and not because they cant afford to pay.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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So because you perceive some problems with the ACA your parties solution is to scrap the whole thing without offering any alternative and basically go with the you're on your own attitude.. Not a very realistic solution to a problem that has 30-40 million people who for whatever reason cant get healthcare.
Most of the people i know in the USA who dont have health \care is because of pre-esxisting conditions and not because they cant afford to pay.
Did I or anyone else posting here say, anything about pre existing conditions? if you paid any attention to any alternative suggestions to improve ACA you would know, Republicans agree, pre existing conditions do need to be covered. Are you aware people who really need medical care are rarely turned down? Our granddaughter, who is a Nurse Practitioner works for a community clinic. They are supposed to either get payments or treat only those on Medicaid or with insurance of some kind. Well, they never turn anyone away. Most people who are so involved in wanting to see our country go socialistic really do not know the whole story.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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Did I or anyone else posting here say, anything about pre existing conditions? if you paid any attention to any alternative suggestions to improve ACA you would know, Republicans agree, pre existing conditions do need to be covered. Are you aware people who really need medical care are rarely turned down? Our granddaughter, who is a Nurse Practitioner works for a community clinic. They are supposed to either get payments or treat only those on Medicaid or with insurance of some kind. Well, they never turn anyone away. Most people who are so involved in wanting to see our country go socialistic really do not know the whole story.


socialistic?
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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The Republicans say they want everybody to get treatment and that it shouldn't cost anybody anything. No individual or business mandate but no pre-existing condition policies either. Can I also get a free unicorn, while they're at it?
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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Did I or anyone else posting here say, anything about pre existing conditions? if you paid any attention to any alternative suggestions to improve ACA you would know, Republicans agree, pre existing conditions do need to be covered. Are you aware people who really need medical care are rarely turned down? Our granddaughter, who is a Nurse Practitioner works for a community clinic. They are supposed to either get payments or treat only those on Medicaid or with insurance of some kind. Well, they never turn anyone away. Most people who are so involved in wanting to see our country go socialistic really do not know the whole story.
So what in your opinion is the GOP solution to the problem of so many without healthcare?..
Getting rid of the pre-existing condition loophole is a step in the right direction but thats not what the GOP want, they want to scrap the whole plan and go back to square one..
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The Republicans say they want everybody to get treatment and that it shouldn't cost anybody anything. No individual or business mandate but no pre-existing condition policies either. Can I also get a free unicorn, while they're at it?
No one is saying health care should be free or if they are, they need to get real. Nothing is free. Someone pays for it, but the more the government gets involved, the more doctors we will lose and the worse our health care will be. I have not heard one person, from either side say pre existing conditions should not be covered, have you and if so, who?
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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So what in your opinion is the GOP solution to the problem of so many without healthcare?..
Getting rid of the pre-existing condition loophole is a step in the right direction but thats not what the GOP want, they want to scrap the whole plan and go back to square one..
Maybe that is what is needed, I don't have an answer, right now no one really does, I don't think. It would have helped if those who were voting on the plan knew what they were voting for or against. many now are running away from it, as fast as they can.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Did I or anyone else posting here say, anything about pre existing conditions? if you paid any attention to any alternative suggestions to improve ACA you would know, Republicans agree, pre existing conditions do need to be covered. Are you aware people who really need medical care are rarely turned down? Our granddaughter, who is a Nurse Practitioner works for a community clinic. They are supposed to either get payments or treat only those on Medicaid or with insurance of some kind. Well, they never turn anyone away. Most people who are so involved in wanting to see our country go socialistic really do not know the whole story.
It's nice that your granddaughter's clinic does that. The problem, Nita, is that clinics like that don't cover the cost of things like chemotherapy or radiation therapy for cancer treatment, open heart surgery, etc. Your contention that no one is ever unable to get treatment due to lack of health insurance is simply untrue.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It's nice that your granddaughter's clinic does that. The problem, Nita, is that clinics like that don't cover the cost of things like chemotherapy or radiation therapy for cancer treatment, open heart surgery, etc. Your contention that no one is ever unable to get treatment due to lack of health insurance is simply untrue.
lets just say, most can get the care they need, yes, including chemo and radiation. I know this to be true, especially those on medicaid. The ones that are affected are those who do not qualify for Medicaid, but I also know, from experience, that if you are unable to pay (I am referring to chemo and radiation) the cancer centers do work out a payment plan, for as little as $25 a month. And in many cases they will help financially. This goes for the large centers like Anderson in Texas, our cancer center in AR and the center in Albuquerque. How do I know? In all three, we have had friends who have received help. In the case of here in AR it affected us directly. When my husband underwent months of radiation a few years ago, we worked out a payment plan. Luckily we were able to cash in some investments and pay for his treatments, but had we not been able to, help was available. If you had seen many of the patience you would realize, no one is totally turned down.

The problem can be access to good care, depending on where you live, lack of transportation, and in many cases, lack of knowledge so seeking help in time isn't always an option, but the care is there. Let me also add, many have signed up for Obamacare and have not realized what they thought they were getting they did not get.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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So because you perceive some problems with the ACA your parties solution is to scrap the whole thing without offering any alternative and basically go with the you're on your own attitude.. Not a very realistic solution to a problem that has 30-40 million people who for whatever reason cant get healthcare.
Most of the people i know in the USA who dont have health \care is because of pre-esxisting conditions and not because they cant afford to pay.
Wrong. Scrapping this crap has nothing to do with parties.

It should NEVER have been mentioned, much less implemented.

One more time for the slow folks:

HEALTH INSURANCE IS NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS!

I feel genuine pity for those who can't manage their affairs without government intervention.
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