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Old 05-12-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Why are we still using electronic voting machines when it is common knowledge that they rig the election? I understand that the system knows that the people know but why don't they retract? Do they not care that they risk a complete rejection of the government?
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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GEORGE SOROS WILL CONTROL YOUR VOTES IN THE UP COMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
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Old 05-12-2014, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Why are we still using electronic voting machines when it is common knowledge that they rig the election? I understand that the system knows that the people know but why don't they retract? Do they not care that they risk a complete rejection of the government?
We could always vote online.

You know.....like we sign up for 0bamacare online.

Oh, wait! Another giant government snafu!

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Old 05-12-2014, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Why are we still using electronic voting machines when it is common knowledge that they rig the election?
That's the problem with "common knowledge."

It is so often not true.
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Old 05-12-2014, 10:50 PM
 
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That's the problem with "common knowledge."

It is so often not true.
I think you need to back up those claims.
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:01 PM
 
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I haven't seen anything to suggest they have been used to rig any elections but it should be a very big concern.

These machines should be non proprietary hardware using open source software which would allow anyone to examine exactly what it does. That opens the possibility of exploits being found but that's a two way street because anyone can find it.

Each machine should have a paper trail with paper printout of what votes were recorded displayed to the voter when they are done voting. That insures who they voted for is recorded. If there is ever any questions about the electronic count you only have to go back to the paper. Machines should also be randomly audited to make sure the electronic and paper count match.
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:32 PM
 
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I don't remember the exact details, but it was something like the State of California asked the engineering students at Caltech to intentionally sabotage the voting machines. One student was able to destroy to whole paper record with a vial of Windex. Spilling it on the paper turned the whole paper solid black.
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Old 05-13-2014, 05:03 AM
 
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Why are we still using electronic voting machines when it is common knowledge that they rig the election? I understand that the system knows that the people know but why don't they retract? Do they not care that they risk a complete rejection of the government?
No, they are not worried about that. They can force the people to assimilate.
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I haven't seen anything to suggest they have been used to rig any elections but it should be a very big concern.

These machines should be non proprietary hardware using open source software which would allow anyone to examine exactly what it does. That opens the possibility of exploits being found but that's a two way street because anyone can find it.

Each machine should have a paper trail with paper printout of what votes were recorded displayed to the voter when they are done voting. That insures who they voted for is recorded. If there is ever any questions about the electronic count you only have to go back to the paper. Machines should also be randomly audited to make sure the electronic and paper count match.
http://blackboxvoting.org/

Documentary showing how the machines are hackable, and some other cases of voting fraud -
Hacking Democracy - Official Website and DVD

The machines don't use open source software... Their paper trail is a fraud. You haven't seen anything to suggest? Just watch the documentary then.
(Surprise!! the video is banned from youtube, this link works - https://archive.org/details/Hacking_Democracy )
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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I think you need to back up those claims.
O.K. We electronically vote. The options show up on the screen and to the left of the screen is a paper tally that records the vote on a small roll of paper that is easily cross checked.
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