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The best Republican path to 270 EV is essentially the same path that would give them 50.1% in the popular vote; nominating someone who's not a Marie Antoinette plutocrat, a religious fanatic, or a ghoul with the blood of Third World children on his teeth.
The problem for them is that if they did nominate someone who is none of those things, they would alienate their base.
I hate to be the bearer of "bad news", but the country's political mood is not static. It does and will change each decade. I'm very sure that liberals had the same sentiments you have now with Reagan's 1st term, then his 2nd term, then Bush 41. If the GOP is losing because it's not moving to the left enough, then that means the people want a government that is not so far to the right. I don't see how that is a bad thing. The current Democratic Party is to the right of the Democratic Party of the "good ol' days". This country has drifted so far off to the right that it desperately needs a course correction to, at least, the center again
After 6 years of far left radical incompetent Obama, you're telling us that the country needs *more* liberalism and *less* conservatism?
Hilarious, but put down the crack pipe. The country needs everything the tea party is fighting for: a smaller federal government that lives within its means, states rights/federalism, balanced budgets, an end to crony capitalism, etc. etc. etc.
The only reason certain elements hate the tea party is that the propaganda effort by the statists in the Democrat Party and the media has been effective and continuous.
After 6 years of far left radical incompetent Obama, you're telling us that the country needs *more* liberalism and *less* conservatism?
Hilarious, but put down the crack pipe. The country needs everything the tea party is fighting for: a smaller federal government that lives within its means, states rights/federalism, balanced budgets, an end to crony capitalism, etc. etc. etc.
The only reason certain elements hate the tea party is that the propaganda effort by the statists in the Democrat Party and the media has been effective and continuous.
The point of this entire thread was to discuss the logical target states for a Republican to reach 270 EV in 2016 and beyond. Whether you're a hard line TP voter or a mainstream Republican, you still face the same mathematical challenge. Say you get your wish in 2016 and the GOP nominates your choice of candidates. Who would he be and what do you see as his most logical electoral path to victory?
The point of this entire thread was to discuss the logical target states for a Republican to reach 270 EV in 2016 and beyond. Whether you're a hard line TP voter or a mainstream Republican, you still face the same mathematical challenge. Say you get your wish in 2016 and the GOP nominates your choice of candidates. Who would he be and what do you see as his most logical electoral path to victory?
Logic and the poster you responded to are mutually exclusive. Your are correct-this isn't about personal beliefs, it is all about how (if at all) 270 is possible for the GOP.
The only Republican to win in the last 20 years won narrowly twice with a path that included Colorado, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia. With Colorado, Nevada and Virginia trending hard demographically against the GOP, I think the upper Midwest and Pennsylvania offer the best chance long term. The Democratic margins in those states have been narrow albeit consistent. Those states (Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin) are not changing demographically as quickly as the rest of the nation. They will remain whiter than the nation as a whole. Add Minnesota and New Hampshire to the target list as well. Some of those are current long shots, but over the long term, if the GOP can't find a way to increase its appeal among Minorities in general and Hispanics in particular, overall that's probably the most realistic path. There was an article in a Conservative publication recently ( the Federalist I think) that opined that the GOP should take the money that they poured into Colorado, Nevada and Virginia in 2012 and instead use it to really assault Pennsylvania and the Midwest because there's more of a realistic chance there.
The GOP was born in Ripon, Wisconsin. To be successful long into the future in POTUS races, they're going to have to win back that area of the country. How they get there is the big question.
Isn't Wisconsin the birthplace of Progressivism, too....
Coincidence?
Republicans can get 270 EV's by nominating someone that appeals to independents. Not someone whose wealth makes others question them, not someone so far to the right that the center is terrified of them.
Someone like Huntsmen who came off as educated, and willing to solve problems.
Someone who looks at massive wealth inequality and comes up with solutions to it that everyone can live with for example. Until then the Republicans are going to continue to lose the electoral votes.
Alternatively...the evil side of my brain says.....split the democratic votes, get someone like sanders to run against Clinton as a Independent. fund them just enough that they are a threat and split the democratic vote.
After 6 years of far left radical incompetent Obama, you're telling us that the country needs *more* liberalism and *less* conservatism?
Hilarious, but put down the crack pipe. The country needs everything the tea party is fighting for: a smaller federal government that lives within its means, states rights/federalism, balanced budgets, an end to crony capitalism, etc. etc. etc.
The only reason certain elements hate the tea party is that the propaganda effort by the statists in the Democrat Party and the media has been effective and continuous.
Thanks, you said it well. The last thing we need is a liberal. Yes, we all can accept and some might even welcome a candidate with an open mind on some issues, but certainly not a liberal.
Republicans can get 270 EV's by nominating someone that appeals to independents. Not someone whose wealth makes others question them, not someone so far to the right that the center is terrified of them.
Someone like Huntsmen who came off as educated, and willing to solve problems.
Someone who looks at massive wealth inequality and comes up with solutions to it that everyone can live with for example. Until then the Republicans are going to continue to lose the electoral votes.
Alternatively...the evil side of my brain says.....split the democratic votes, get someone like sanders to run against Clinton as a Independent. fund them just enough that they are a threat and split the democratic vote.
There are a lot of Republicans that might be able to attract the independents but Huntsman isn't one of them. Do you realize, polls have shown over and over, a majority of independents consider themselves conservative. Of course I don't always believe polls, but I thought I would point that out to you, as you probably are not aware of this.
The best Republican path to 270 EV is essentially the same path that would give them 50.1% in the popular vote; nominating someone who's not a Marie Antoinette plutocrat, a religious fanatic, or a ghoul with the blood of Third World children on his teeth.
The problem for them is that if they did nominate someone who is none of those things, they would alienate their base.
With this leadership council .... what could go wrong?? Bhwaaaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha..
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