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Old 06-26-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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which would, of course, mean with Biden as the tiebreaker, no change in control.

NC & Iowa are the latest flips to Blue.

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Old 06-26-2014, 10:28 PM
 
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which would, of course, mean with Biden as the tiebreaker, no change in control.

NC & Iowa are the latest flips to Blue.

RealClearPolitics - 2014 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups
This is supposed to be their year. All the stars are aligned for them. If they don't win the Senate majority this year, the GOP might as well give it up.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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This is supposed to be their year. All the stars are aligned for them. If they don't win the Senate majority this year, the GOP might as well give it up.
The Engles and O'Donnells of the past have left them no margin for error. It was a very impressive (sar) achievement for them NOT to gain control by 2010.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I still question how much control of the senate matters. The GOP is going to keep the house, and neither side will get to the 60+ margin in the Senate to overcome filibuster. The SCOTUS slapped down Obama's attempt to bypass the Senate.

What difference does it make?
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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which would, of course, mean with Biden as the tiebreaker, no change in control.

NC & Iowa are the latest flips to Blue.

RealClearPolitics - 2014 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups
That makes you happy, right Bob? You say you are a {R} but the stuff you write it is hard to believe.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:48 PM
 
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I still question how much control of the senate matters. The GOP is going to keep the house, and neither side will get to the 60+ margin in the Senate to overcome filibuster. The SCOTUS slapped down Obama's attempt to bypass the Senate.

What difference does it make?
1/20/2019 could well be 1/20/2009..a Blue supermajority, and I don't want 60 for either. 2016 will see big GOP losses as some 2010 1st timers (GOP) are in blue states. They needed 55 seats in 2014 to insure not falling to 40 within a few cycles. The Engle's and O'Donnell types , by not providing a 2014 cushion, could mean a Dem supermajority by 2018.

I agree with you, for 4 years, it will not be an issue, but the math spells GOP big time trouble in just 2 cycles.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:49 PM
 
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I still question how much control of the senate matters. The GOP is going to keep the house, and neither side will get to the 60+ margin in the Senate to overcome filibuster. The SCOTUS slapped down Obama's attempt to bypass the Senate.

What difference does it make?
But this is your year! lol

If you don't take the Senate this year with so many Democratic seats up for grabs, don't even bother nominating a POTUS candidate in 2016, you're just throwing your money away.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:49 PM
 
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That makes you happy, right Bob? You say you are a {R} but the stuff you write it is hard to believe.

It makes me happy IF the GOP comes to its senses, and cleanses the wing nuts back to the sidelines. The mainstream GOP of old, fiscal conservatism with social libertarianism was fine by me.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:20 AM
 
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It makes me happy IF the GOP comes to its senses, and cleanses the wing nuts back to the sidelines. The mainstream GOP of old, fiscal conservatism with social libertarianism was fine by me.
Maybe we are closer then I thought I also wish for the social conservatives to take a back seat instead of driving the bus.
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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Maybe we are closer then I thought I also wish for the social conservatives to take a back seat instead of driving the bus.
I hope so. The Establishment needs to fight back, again and again, stronger each time, until all fringe groups feel excluded from the decision-making process.
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