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Old 07-11-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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"if you like your healthcare you can keep your healthcare period"
"if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor period"

"al-quaeda is on the run"

Like those kind of lies?
Obama is running for the Senate in Kentucky?
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Old 07-11-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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You actually make a very good parallel. Cantor was a long time incumbent with tons of money and resources against a very obscure opponent. Why Cantor lost is not because of his "softening" stance on immigration, as some would like to believe, but another, more simpler explanation: he pretty much forgot about his constituents, instead wanting to nurture his national ambitions.

Now it's debatable to what extent McConnell has ignored his KY constituents for the power game in Washington compared with Cantor, but he probably wouldn't be fighting for his political life now if he'd had done a bit more constituent glad-handling back in the state.
From what I can tell Cantor didn't lose because of lies his opponent told about him. All you say is true and why McConnell can be beat with the simple truth.
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Old 07-11-2014, 10:27 AM
 
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Obama is running for the Senate in Kentucky?
The thread is about going after things by lying.
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Old 07-11-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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The thread is about going after things by lying.
Well, I think the premise is a dead issue in this case, given that McConnell has always gone for the jugular in political campaigns, and if Grimes is smart, she will do the same thing - you don't bring a knife to a gun fight, and politics for McConnell is ALWAYS a gun fight.
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Old 07-11-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Well, I think the premise is a dead issue in this case, given that McConnell has always gone for the jugular in political campaigns, and if Grimes is smart, she will do the same thing - you don't bring a knife to a gun fight, and politics for McConnell is ALWAYS a gun fight.
Go for it. Just don't make up lies.
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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I think the ad was basically truthful if you think about it. McConnell voted to privatize medicare for non-current retirees in 2011.

Honestly, how long do you think people 55 and under are going to be willing paying large sums of money into a system they won't get for a period of 30 years? The political will to just scrap the entire thing would be enormous at that point. Had that bill passed I have no doubt that it would raise medicare costs for current beneficiaries, because that system would not be acceptable to current payees.

In essence I think the ad is 100% fair. If you disagree then please state right now that as a 35 year old you would have been willing to sign off 3%+ of your income for the rest of your life for no tangible benefit and you think most people 35-55 would do that happily for the rest of their working careers and people 35 and under would be happy to pay that much into a system that they wont be the beneficiaries of ever, for a large portion of their earning years.

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