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Old 12-25-2007, 12:05 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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ron paul's website describes many of his positions. i have to say that many of his positions seem good. but why does he feel that waiters' tips should not be taxed? after all, that IS income. and we're ALL unfortunately taxed on our income.
i'd also like to know where he stands on civil unions and same sex marriage. i can only assume that he'd probably consider that a State by State matter, not federal. any ideas?
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Old 12-25-2007, 01:27 AM
 
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tips should not be taxed. its a ripoff. the IRS is about as petty as it comes. why not tax kids selling cool-aid. to me a tip is a way of saying thanks for service. the employer is paying the low wage. tax it only. personally anybody making less than 30k gross a yr shouldn't have a penny taken from them for taxes. that my 3cents, minus taxes= 2cts
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Old 12-25-2007, 01:37 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Most wait staff earn low incomes, so the thought is to let them keep their hard earned income. It's just one step in eliminating taxes, not by all means the end all be all of tax laws. As a side note, many wait staff are taxed more today than 10 years ago simply because of the massive switch to electronic payments versus cash. It's easy to claim you made $25 a night in tips when there's no proof otherwise, but now with credit and debit cards accounting for most transactions, it's all recorded.

With regard to civil unions and such, you're right... he feels it's not the federal government's place to define marriage. If he were running for governor, he'd say it wasn't the state's place either.. he's already said it's a function of religion, not government.
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:33 AM
 
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Doesn't Ron Paul support the fair tax, thus he feels that NO income should be taxed?

Isn't the majority of Waiters income tips? How could you not tax this? You are going to tax them on $3/ hour and let them walk with the $100+ tips they earn scott free? Not likely, and it certainly doesn't seem fair to the rest of the working stiffs who get ALL income taxed.


Fair tax would eliminate this discussion though.

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Old 12-25-2007, 04:35 AM
 
Location: I live in Ronan, MT but am stationed in Virginia Beach
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Doesn't Ron Paul support the fair tax, thus he feels that NO income should be taxed?

Isn't the majority of Waiters income tips? How could you not tax this? You are going to tax them on $3/ hour and let them walk with the $100+ tips they earn scott free? Not likely, and it certainly doesn't seem fair to the rest of the working stiffs who get ALL income taxed.


Fair tax would eliminate this discussion though.
He doesn't support the fair tax, he supports NO TAX.
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Old 12-25-2007, 11:23 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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He doesn't support the fair tax, he supports NO TAX.
Well... it's a complicated discussion. He's already stated that the fair tax is better than our current system, but he would prefer to eliminate the income tax without replacing it with a consumption tax. But he has yet to show anyone how we could support the federal government without either tax... so it's a sticky subject.

But instead of saying why would waitstaff get a tax break and not some other guy, say, the waitstaff would have been the first in a long line of people to see a tax break.
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Old 12-25-2007, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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He doesn't support the fair tax, he supports NO TAX.
No income tax is his preference, but he will look at other options for the time being. As he has said, anything is better than the IRS and current system.

Why he supports no tax on tips, I have no clue.
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Old 12-25-2007, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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But he has yet to show anyone how we could support the federal government without either tax... so it's a sticky subject.
When i saw him in Rock Hill, SC, he said that there would be a transition period where some tax would need to be collected until we were able to reduce spending. You can't cut people from a system that has encouraged them to depend on the government overnight. With SS, he would allow younger people to opt out and encourage charity giving and spending withing local groups. Churches, civic groups, etc would be asked to ramp up their operations. If people have more money to dispose of, they would likely be willing to give more to charity. This means that the Democrats can take care of who they choose and the Republicans can turn their head the other way. That last sentence is mine, not Dr. Paul's.
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Old 12-25-2007, 04:14 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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This means that the Democrats can take care of who they choose and the Republicans can turn their head the other way. That last sentence is mine, not Dr. Paul's.
I'd be interested in seeing any statistics on charitable donations by party affiliation. The only stats I found showed that conservatives donate much more to charity each year. Of course much of this is religious donations, but that's not to say that those donations don't benefit the needy.

"Arthur Brooks' initial research for Who Really Cares revealed that religion played a far more significant role in giving than he had previously believed. In 2000, religious people gave about three and a half times as much as secular people ó $2,210 versus $642. And even when religious giving is excluded from the numbers, Mr. Brooks found, religious people still give $88 more per year to nonreligious charities.

He writes that religious people are more likely than the nonreligious to volunteer for secular charitable activities, give blood, and return money when they are accidentally given too much change."

http://www.philanthropy.com/free/art...4/04001101.htm

What I'd also like to know is how many liberals that feel government programs are the solution give charitable gifts to the Treasury... and how many don't claim tax credits and deductions in order to give more of their money to the government.
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Old 12-25-2007, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Part of the ten point communist manifesto is a "progressive income tax". For those of you who are actually questioning the wisdom of having no tax, did you know that? Do you know what marx's ten point manifesto consists of? This is only 1 of those points. Dr Paul vehemently fights against the continued march into socialism.

Therefore, the next question then would be do you disagree with the premise and morality of socialism/communism?

Dr Paul is a true patriot of believes in the Constitution. That document is a polar opposite of communism/socialism. If you support socialism, then the policies that most politicians have enacted should be ok with you.

However if you do not support those policies then please, please research Dr Paul .
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