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Old 11-05-2014, 11:05 PM
 
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What are you talking about, Obama won his reelection after getting ACA signed and put into law. I wouldn't be too concerned, the Republicans will still need to work with the Democrats to get the needed 60 votes in Congress, if anything this will put the Republicans on display for the next two years. Maybe that will work in their favor like it did the Democrats during the last two years of Bush's 2nd term, or maybe it will work against them. Only time and the actions of the Republicans will tell that future.
Obama LIED about Obamacare to get re-elected.
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Obama LIED about Obamacare to get re-elected.
That is a weak argument seeing you guys were whining that he lied left and right. Americans were well aware what ACA was when they reelected Obama.
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Good thread; No doubt that President Barack Obama is one smart cookie. He proved it time after time, especially when he won reelection in 2012 despite a moribund economy. James Carville said it: "it's the economy, stupid" but Pres Obama used racial division to circumvent that rule in 2012.

But he made a huge blunder in March 2010 when he signed landmark, sea-change legislation with zero bi-partisan input or support. Neither FDR nor LBJ were dumb enough to force through sea-change legislation without some bi-partisan support. BHO was, and that will be his legacy. Too bad. A lot of us, even Republicans, had high hopes for him in early 2009.
I must agree with this. It was our election to lose in 2012 and we did. I think the GOP made a strategic error in running the only candidate against Obama who couldn't easily call out Obama on Obamacare. This allowed Obama to do what he does best - insert social issue wedges into the election when that was not a top priority of voters. They fell for it hook, line, and sinker and he flat out campaigned the GOP.

The question in moving forward in 2016 is two-fold. First, does the Democrats have a candidate that can campaign as effectively as Obama did? I submit they do not. Hillary, while the obvious front runner for the Democrats is simply not that good at campaigning. Recall, prior to Obama coming onto the scene, she was the presumptive nominee then too. She suffers from a likability issue and on top of that, the electorate is increasingly soured with the same old names in Washington, whether that name is Clinton or Bush.

The second is how the GOP handles the next two years. They have an excellent opportunity to highlight how well they can govern compared to the Democrats. If the press conference by Obama today is any indicator, he is not going to change course at all and will likely continue his stance of not working with Republicans. This could present an excellent opportunity for the GOP to put one bipartisan bill after another on his desk that Obama, in his stubborn way, will veto.

Now, we need, as a party, to nominate a dynamic candidate who can both effectively campaign and has no obvious weaknesses (a la Romney). I cannot stress enough the dynamic component here. If we've learned anything at all over the last two presidential cycles, it's that dynamic candidates get the voters to the polls and get them to actually vote. Frankly, this seems to be a larger draw than the platform of the candidate. Yes, that's a bit of a sad statement upon our electorate but it's a reality within which we must compete.
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Old 11-09-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, I think the rumors of his death are greatly exaggerated. He won reelection handily, and plenty of people supported and still support the ACA. It needs to be improved, and it will be, but it is pure fantasy to think the GOP would have done something so big for the American people. The notion of repeal is only popular among the "let's make this guy fail!!!" wing of the GOP. In fact, I think history will prove that the relentlessly negative do nothing narrative of the GOP recently, which energizes their base, also alienates and disgusts the rest of Americans. The base of the GOP also seems to hate moderates these days, but the truth is, most voters are moderates.

My observation over the last six years is that the GOP narrative has worked relentlessly to paint Obama as a foreigner, socialist, traitor, muslim, dictator, incompetent, narcissists,etc.,etc.,etc. An endless stream of pure bs. At the same time they have done almost nothing to help our country out of the worst financial crisis in two generations. If we fail, they can win power! What a bunch of weasels. Obama has soldiered on working for the country despite this toxic and traitorous narrative from the right, while dealing with the many challenges from abroad. He comes out looking like a solid and admirable person. A bit bloodied by it all, but still standing, and doing his job for all of us. They look like a bunch of self-serving liars. Mitch McConnell is the poster boy for the new GOP. He stands for nothing other than fear mongering and negative campaigning and a naked (sorry for that image) lust for power. The GOP can gain seats in gerrymandered districts, but they have pushed the bulk of voters away.

Bottomline: Obama won reelection, and the GOP is going to get paid back for their garbage in 2016. It ain't over people!
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Old 11-14-2014, 04:57 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by wutitiz
Good thread; No doubt that President Barack Obama is one smart cookie. He proved it time after time, especially when he won reelection in 2012 despite a moribund economy. James Carville said it: "it's the economy, stupid" but Pres Obama used racial division to circumvent that rule in 2012.

But he made a huge blunder in March 2010 when he signed landmark, sea-change legislation with zero bi-partisan input or support. Neither FDR nor LBJ were dumb enough to force through sea-change legislation without some bi-partisan support. BHO was, and that will be his legacy. Too bad. A lot of us, even Republicans, had high hopes for him in early 2009.

I must agree with this. It was our election to lose in 2012 and we did. I think the GOP made a strategic error in running the only candidate against Obama who couldn't easily call out Obama on Obamacare. This allowed Obama to do what he does best - insert social issue wedges into the election when that was not a top priority of voters. They fell for it hook, line, and sinker and he flat out campaigned the GOP."

Sounds good, but not true. Stop thinking of the GOP base when you discuss POTUS, or off year electorates. The Blue Wall is generally far more supportive of ACA than the rest of the nation, and without cracking through the BW, the GOP cannot win POTUS.

In that regard, Romney, had he run as he did vs Kennedy Senate (strongest defender of womens reproductive rights that race) and had he staunchly defended Romneycare thanking the POTUS for comparing ACA to it-might have cracked through the BW. He capitulated to the fringe right, and paid for it, as the BW properly dismissed him as just another lune..who was once sane, but no more.

The GOP will not win POTUS until it nominates folks who appeal to the BW states. The Southern strategy has been a massive GOP failure.i
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Old 11-16-2014, 02:54 AM
 
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That is a weak argument seeing you guys were whining that he lied left and right. Americans were well aware what ACA was when they reelected Obama.



Have you ordered your Gruber DVD Set yet?
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:29 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Like all Headlines, they are there to get you to show interest and read.
Dang! You know something about advertising! You are correct. That is the purpose of a headline, to get you to read the first line of text (or, copy).
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:33 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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That is a weak argument seeing you guys were whining that he lied left and right. Americans were well aware what ACA was when they reelected Obama.
They were not! It had not yet taken effect. How could they be "aware" of what it was? They had not seen their premiums skyrocket yet.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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President Obama commits suicide!

Back when he signed the ACA, with only partisan support.

Ever since then, he has lost more & more support for his agenda and the way he has worked it around congress.


Political suicide has played out in the nation.
First the House and now the Senate.
A loss of 70+ seats in congress.

Make it a top priority on your "to do list" to never vote for Obama again.

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Old 11-16-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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Have you ordered your Gruber DVD Set yet?


I got the commemorative special extended version DVD set with director audio commentary by George Soros.
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