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Old 11-07-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: WY
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The Democrats didn't just lose big on Tuesday. They also had a major loss of their up and coming talent pool, that was virtually wiped out in this election. Just as Republicans have had to do (and they are beginning to do successfully) the Dems are both looking at ways to change and present their message, and ways to rebuild their party.

The Democrats
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Old 11-07-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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Even more critical is the dearth of Democrats in state and local government. The majority of state legislatures in particular are in Republican control, as are the governorships. Does nor portend well for the Democrats in training. Too 'small' of a farm system.

From your linked Politico article.
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“The way we rebuild is really by having a deep investment in our local city council races and state races, by really starting to recruit and pipeline strong local candidates,” said Gallego, a 34-year-old Marine Corps veteran. “That’s where your good congressional candidates in the future are going to come from.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/1...#ixzz3IOyMMA9S
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Old 11-07-2014, 09:53 AM
 
Location: WY
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Even more critical is the dearth of Democrats in state and local government. The majority of state legislatures in particular are in Republican control, as are the governorships. Does nor portend well for the Democrats in training. Too 'small' of a farm system.

From your linked Politico article.
They'll pull it together eventually, but (as the article says) it will likely take more than one election cycle to regroup.

And I want them to regroup. I don't want ANY party to have a monopoly on talent, on ideas, on belief systems, on messages, or on power. What small modicum of "say" we the people have, is dependent on keeping all these scum sucking parasitic politicians on their toes. The Republicans are just as self interested and self serving as the Democrats. They are just as able to abuse power. They are just as able to forget who they are supposed to be representing and that WE give them whatever power they have. We give them power and we can take that power away. That message was handed out on Tuesday to the Dems. But both parties had better remember that message.
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Old 11-07-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I don't think you can really say wipeout, considering the only one of those expected to win was Brown in Maryland.
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Old 11-07-2014, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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OP is exactly right on the money. The Democratic Party is dominated by aging voices such as Reid (74), Pelosi (74) Feinstein (81) and Durbin (69)/ By contrast in the GOP we have voices like Rubio, Cruz, Mia Love, and Elise Stefanik.


Elise Stefanik at the Bikers and Patriot Freedom Rally - YouTube
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Old 11-07-2014, 07:54 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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OP is exactly right on the money. The Democratic Party is dominated by aging voices such as Reid (74), Pelosi (74) Feinstein (81) and Durbin (69)/ By contrast in the GOP we have voices like Rubio, Cruz, Mia Love, and Elise Stefanik.
That's just a generalization.

In the Senate, most of the youngest members are Democrats: Cory Booker - 45; and the three youngest - Martin Heinrich (NM) 43, Brian Schatz (HI) 42, and Chris Murphy (CT) 41.

There are younger people and older people in both political parties.
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Old 11-07-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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I don't think you can really say wipeout, considering the only one of those expected to win was Brown in Maryland.
Not just Brown. Plenty of Democrats were given better than even chances. Charlie Crist, Greg Orman (sleazy socialist masquerading as independent), Pat Quinn, Kay Hagan. Plus various congressmen who were surprised and lost.

Kay Hagan was the sweetest victory of all. Extremely liberal in a moderate to conservative state but also extremely competent with her campaign. OVer 100 million spent. Yet still defeated.
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Old 11-08-2014, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Not just Brown. Plenty of Democrats were given better than even chances. Charlie Crist, Greg Orman (sleazy socialist masquerading as independent), Pat Quinn, Kay Hagan. Plus various congressmen who were surprised and lost.

Kay Hagan was the sweetest victory of all. Extremely liberal in a moderate to conservative state but also extremely competent with her campaign. OVer 100 million spent. Yet still defeated.
The amount of money spent is not anywhere close in importance as WHERE the money came from.
$100 million dollars contributed to a state campaign meant from the beginning that it didn't come from only feelings of civic duty. That much money only meant there were a lot of people who expected a return on their investment at some time in some fashion, no matter who won or lost.

Who, between Hagan and McConnell, could be considered purer than the driven snow? Political power, apparently, is now something that is only for the wealthy and those who court them. Someone, probably a lot of someones, will get repaid in full for their dough.

The only way out of this is major ironclad reform on spending limits, but now that the foxes have occupied the chicken coop, there are no chickens who are brave enough to go back in the coop to fight the foxes. It will take millions of us chickens to change this situation by public referendum. A million chickens can fight and win against a couple of hundred foxes when the chickens get mad enough to fight the foxes instead of each other.

Capping the amount spent on a dollar per registered voter in each state would be a good start to ending all this. Break the rule, lose the job, period.

Celebrating corruption is a poor celebration.
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Old 11-08-2014, 03:35 AM
 
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The amount of money spent is not anywhere close in importance as WHERE the money came from.
$100 million dollars contributed to a state campaign meant from the beginning that it didn't come from only feelings of civic duty. That much money only meant there were a lot of people who expected a return on their investment at some time in some fashion, no matter who won or lost.

Who, between Hagan and McConnell, could be considered purer than the driven snow? Political power, apparently, is now something that is only for the wealthy and those who court them. Someone, probably a lot of someones, will get repaid in full for their dough.

The only way out of this is major ironclad reform on spending limits, but now that the foxes have occupied the chicken coop, there are no chickens who are brave enough to go back in the coop to fight the foxes. It will take millions of us chickens to change this situation by public referendum. A million chickens can fight and win against a couple of hundred foxes when the chickens get mad enough to fight the foxes instead of each other.

Capping the amount spent on a dollar per registered voter in each state would be a good start to ending all this. Break the rule, lose the job, period.

Celebrating corruption is a poor celebration.
Money runs both parties. No argument there. I was saying Hagan's victory was so sweet because of how hard the Democrats tried for her, how much hope they had that she'd win (she did lead pretty much every poll), and how disgustingly and blatantly partisan she was in a center right state.
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Old 11-08-2014, 07:57 AM
 
Location: North America
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They'll pull it together eventually, but (as the article says) it will likely take more than one election cycle to regroup.

And I want them to regroup. I don't want ANY party to have a monopoly on talent, on ideas, on belief systems, on messages, or on power. What small modicum of "say" we the people have, is dependent on keeping all these scum sucking parasitic politicians on their toes. The Republicans are just as self interested and self serving as the Democrats. They are just as able to abuse power. They are just as able to forget who they are supposed to be representing and that WE give them whatever power they have. We give them power and we can take that power away. That message was handed out on Tuesday to the Dems. But both parties had better remember that message.

Probably not, things happen fast in politics. There will be elections between here and 2016 to get candidates ready for national office. They likely even have them already in state legislatures, they just passed them over for the crud they put up this election.
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