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Old 11-11-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Two midterm elections have hollowed out the Democratic Party - The Washington Post

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The past two midterm elections have been cruel to Democrats, costing them control of the House and now the Senate, and producing a cumulative wipeout in the states. The 2010 and 2014 elections saw the defeat of younger politicians — some in office, others seeking it — who might have become national leaders....don’t blame Clinton for these problems. The party’s national bench is so thin that Democrats count themselves lucky to have her available in 2016.
I have been trying to point this out for a couple years now. The GOP has a wealth of young (by politico standards) like Rubio (43), Ted Cruz (44), Bobby Jindal (43), Paul Ryan (44), and many others. We just put into office Mia Love (38) and Elise Stefanik (30).

Dems by contrast have Nancy Pelosi(74), Harry Reid (74), and Stenny Hoyer (75). The great white hope for 2016 is Hillary Rodham, who will be 69 on election day. If she doesn't run, Joe Biden is on standby at age 72.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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Control of the states is key. They are the incubator, the farm league, the future. Right now, the left can put away their sunglasses.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Op - As a Democrat I also see the problem. We have a tough run ahead of us in the 2016 elections.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Two midterm elections have hollowed out the Democratic Party - The Washington Post



I have been trying to point this out for a couple years now. The GOP has a wealth of young (by politico standards) like Rubio (43), Ted Cruz (44), Bobby Jindal (43), Paul Ryan (44), and many others. We just put into office Mia Love (38) and Elise Stefanik (30).

Dems by contrast have Nancy Pelosi(74), Harry Reid (74), and Stenny Hoyer (75). The great white hope for 2016 is Hillary Rodham, who will be 69 on election day. If she doesn't run, Joe Biden is on standby at age 72.

Somewhat misleading because you are making an apples to oranges comparison instead of apples to apples. Comparing Republicans elected over the last few years to Democratic leadserhip without mentioning GOP leadership ages or recently elected Democrats,
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Somewhat misleading because you are making an apples to oranges comparison instead of apples to apples. Comparing Republicans elected over the last few years to Democratic leadserhip without mentioning GOP leadership ages or recently elected Democrats,
Maybe a little bit so, but then let's face it--people like Cruz, Paul, Jindal, Ryan, and Rubio are the Republican leadership. They are all potential 2016 candidates. The potential Democratic candidates are Hillary (69 on election day) Biden (72) Warren (67). Maybe Jim Webb will throw his hat it the ring; he'll be 70 on election day 2016.
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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Maybe a little bit so, but then let's face it--people like Cruz, Paul, Jindal, Ryan, and Rubio are the Republican leadership. They are all potential 2016 candidates. The potential Democratic candidates are Hillary (69 on election day) Biden (72) Warren (67). Maybe Jim Webb will throw his hat it the ring; he'll be 70 on election day 2016.
They get their names out in the media more, and they are potential leadership perhaps for 2016, but not yet. The current leadership is Boehner (who will be 65 next week) and McConnell is 72.

Now for 2016 potential Presidential candidates, the GOP does skew younger, but still have Romney (same age as Clinton)

Cruz is completely unelectable, Jindal's #'s as Governor are horrible in his own Republican state. Love & Stefanik are too new on the scene to be anywhere for 2016

Potential Dem candidates outside of Clinton will primarily be in their 50's on Election Day 2016, November 2016 they will be

Cuomo 58
O'Malley 53
Bullock 50
Klobuchar 56

Patrick 60
Schweitzer 61
Gillibrand 49


While not for 2016, and the GOP young bench tends to get more attention, it isn't like the Democrats don't have some young potential future stars as well

Chris Murphy 41
Brian Schatz 42
Martin Heinrich 43
Cory Booker 45

Patrick Murphy 31
Tulsi Gabbard 33
Joe Kennedy 34
Krysten Sinemma 38
Jared Polis 39
Tim Ryan 41

Castro twins 40
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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They get their names out in the media more, and they are potential leadership perhaps for 2016, but not yet. The current leadership is Boehner (who will be 65 next week) and McConnell is 72.

Now for 2016 potential Presidential candidates, the GOP does skew younger, but still have Romney (same age as Clinton)

Cruz is completely unelectable, Jindal's #'s as Governor are horrible in his own Republican state. Love & Stefanik are too new on the scene to be anywhere for 2016

Potential Dem candidates outside of Clinton will primarily be in their 50's on Election Day 2016, November 2016 they will be

Cuomo 58
O'Malley 53
Bullock 50
Klobuchar 56

Patrick 60
Schweitzer 61
Gillibrand 49


While not for 2016, and the GOP young bench tends to get more attention, it isn't like the Democrats don't have some young potential future stars as well

Chris Murphy 41
Brian Schatz 42
Martin Heinrich 43
Cory Booker 45

Patrick Murphy 31
Tulsi Gabbard 33
Joe Kennedy 34
Krysten Sinemma 38
Jared Polis 39
Tim Ryan 41

Castro twins 40

Come on, Corey Booker is the only one on that list who is viable. Schweitzer was interesting for a while but the WaPo said that he was dead meat.
The Brian Schweitzer presidential speculation was fun while it lasted - The Washington Post

Cuomo is not viable nationally due to the gun issue. Recall that Gore lost Tennessee and Arkansas over that, and Kerry humiliated himself in an effort to overcome it, but still failed. Cuomo would have no chance. O'Malley was unable to hold onto the MD gov seat; is this the guy you propose to take purple states and take the WH?

I have not heard of the rest of these people. What are their ideas and claims to fame? Just honestly curious. I read recently that Pres. Obama is combing the landscape for a successor who might come out of nowhere like he did in 2006. Do any of these fit that bill?
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:29 AM
 
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Come on, Corey Booker is the only one on that list who is viable. Schweitzer was interesting for a while but the WaPo said that he was dead meat.
The Brian Schweitzer presidential speculation was fun while it lasted - The Washington Post

Cuomo is not viable nationally due to the gun issue. Recall that Gore lost Tennessee and Arkansas over that, and Kerry humiliated himself in an effort to overcome it, but still failed. Cuomo would have no chance. O'Malley was unable to hold onto the MD gov seat; is this the guy you propose to take purple states and take the WH?

I have not heard of the rest of these people. What are their ideas and claims to fame? Just honestly curious. I read recently that Pres. Obama is combing the landscape for a successor who might come out of nowhere like he did in 2006. Do any of these fit that bill?

Cuomo doesn't need to win Arkansas or Tennessee to win the White House, of course he isn't going to do well in those states, no Democrat needs those states to win.

O'Malley wasn't running, he was a two-term Governor and not allowed to run for re-election. It was an open seat race.

Deval Patrick is the outgoing two-term Governor of Massacuhsetts, he was a key reason why Mitt Romney didn't run for re-election for Gov in 2006 (he knew Patrick would have demolished him). Harcard Grad, also worked as an Assistant AG in the Clinton administration

Gillibrand and Klobuchar are both in the Senate. Gillibrand is a former Congresswoman and current Senator in NY (initially appointed to finish Clinton's term than won re-election for a full term), Klobuchar is a Senator from Minnesota in her 2nd term after being elected in 2006

Bullock is the current Governor of Montana. Most of the other ones listed are in the House and Senate and were elected in 2012, with the exception of Tim Ryan who was elected back in 2002 when he was 29. They generally aren't as well known and haven't sought the media attention the way Cruz and Rubio have, but that doesn't mean they don't have a bright future.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I'll add that Kyrsten Sinema, a rep from AZ, is one to keep an eye on. She was first elected in 2012 and won her re-election with ease in a competitive district in a year of overwhelmingly conservative turnout. She is a moderate who has very strong crossover appeal and actually ran a fairly positive campaign that outlined her positions on the issues. She actually did the talking instead of the usual narration while showing the candidate in various photo ops. She is too young yet for the big time, but I think she will be among the future starts of the dems.
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Old 11-11-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Very true. Look what has happened to the democrats, especially in the Senate, that voted for obamacare. Really, the only person they have for 2016 is Hillary.
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