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Poppycock. How do you know how many people have or haven't heard of Jim Webb? One low information voter, no matter how young, "progressive" and intelligent is not representative. Does Webb have the name recognition of Hillary? No. So what? That'll change quickly if he decides to run.
Republicans would pit their shants if Webb ended up being the nominee. Repubs desperately want Hillary to run. I get it.
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Poppycock. How do you know how many people have or haven't heard of Jim Webb? One low information voter, no matter how young, "progressive" and intelligent is not representative. Does Webb have the name recognition of Hillary? No. So what? That'll change quickly if he decides to run.
Republicans would pit their shants if Webb ended up being the nominee. Repubs desperately want Hillary to run. I get it.
I see what you're doing here. Gotcha!
There's no 'gotcha' here, he's just pointing out the obvious. I'm all for Jim Webb, he's exactly what's needed. But practically-speaking, there are just too many factors supporting the 'Hillary" sense of 'inevitability', not least of which is the 'symbolism' she represents for a LOT of aging Boomer women. And there's nuthin' like a nasty 'intra-party' squabble (especially with 'gender' overtones) to rescue Defeat from the jaws of Victory.
There's no 'gotcha' here, he's just pointing out the obvious. I'm all for Jim Webb, he's exactly what's needed. But practically-speaking, there are just too many factors supporting the 'Hillary" sense of 'inevitability', not least of which is the 'symbolism' she represents for a LOT of aging Boomer women. And there's nuthin' like a nasty 'intra-party' squabble (especially with 'gender' overtones) to rescue Defeat from the jaws of Victory.
As an aging boomer woman, I don't get the appeal of Hillary one. little. bit. Webb, on the other hand...
Heh, JMO, but I think there are aging boomer women who would give lip service support to Hillary among their friends and associates, but in the end would pull the lever for Jim.
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^ Well, guess you missed the level of 'competitiveness' in 2008 when Obama challenged Hillary, which is generally regarded to have been 'patched' only by cutting the Clintons a 'deal'…. which she definitely ain't gonna do again! And there were no small number of lib 'feminists' even back then, who were pretty 'vocal' in championing her "entitlement".
BTW, I've noticed that even a lot of otherwise loyal Fox-lovin' conservative women here, seem willing to give her some 'respect', and certainly a lot more than they show any other Dem!
^ Well, guess you missed the level of 'competitiveness' in 2008 when Obama challenged Hillary, which is generally regarded to have been 'patched' only by cutting the Clintons a 'deal'…. which she definitely ain't gonna do again! And there were no small number of lib 'feminists' even back then, who were pretty 'vocal' in championing her "entitlement".
BTW, I've noticed that even a lot of otherwise loyal Fox-lovin' conservative women here, seem willing to give her some 'respect', and certainly a lot more than they show any other Dem!
yes, but remember, too, that she was more or less of a fail at State. Like she really stunk out the joint, especially during Benghazi. She basically left her employees to rot and die, in fact she was kind of MIA, as I recall, although I remember her blaming some crazy video for her dereliction of duty. That's how I see it, anyway. And that would be my issue with her in a crisis. "What difference does it make?"
Webb could do some serious damage to the repubs that Hillary just couldn't. A lot of working class folks would back him for sure, IF they knew more about him. And therein lies the problem.
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^ I agree, Webb would be very effective at communicating with blue collar folks, which Dems have done a lousy job of reaching, ever since the advent of so-called "Reagan Democrats". So I hope his campaign can really get some traction going.
Though as much as I like him, unfortunately it's also hard to say whether he really has the same "fire in the belly" to go toe-to-toe with her, let alone attract all her 'loyalists' who are convinced it's "her time" (and theirs)! It'll be "interesting"!
^ I agree, Webb would be very effective at communicating with blue collar folks, which Dems have done a lousy job of reaching, ever since the advent of so-called "Reagan Democrats". So I hope his campaign can really get some traction going.
Though as much as I like him, unfortunately it's also hard to say whether he really has the same "fire in the belly" to go toe-to-toe with her, let alone attract all her 'loyalists' who are convinced it's "her time" (and theirs)! It'll be "interesting"!
I do feel that Webb, despite his age, projects more of an image of vitality than she does. My sense is that he's still weighing his options, but once he commits, (if he does commit) you'll see that fire in the belly. He's got it, you can see it in his eyes. In debates, I think he'd demolish her. Not that hard to do, btw, after that "What difference does it make" performance on Capitol Hill. Also I don't see where she has much in the way of convictions.
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^ Oh, she annoys me too, no question about it. Her voice is really grating, and she's actually a lot more hawkish than many republicans! But if the only choice ends up being either her or the Jebster, guess I'll just have to 'hold my nose' and choose the 'lesser of two evils" (although a Clinton/Webb ticket would still be pretty powerful).
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