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Old 11-21-2014, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And proposed national healthcare.
And even talked about making handguns illegal (Nixon).
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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................And the EPA.

One scene I remembered specifically from the Carter installment of American Experience was an interview with the head of the Georgia Dem party. He said that when Carter decided to run for governor and they first met along with the top Dem bundler, Carter while shaking his hand politely stated, "give me $5 Million right now", and the bundler stated in his interview that there was something about Carter that made you feel like he had crazy, unsupportable aspirations, but you wanted to just give him the $$ anyway. During this meeting with the GA Dem head and the bundler, he supposedly promised to keep the status quo with GA race relations, only to betray the party after the getting the Gov nomination.

When he ran for president, the southern state dem party bosses no longer trusted him, but were given no choice by the national party.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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Another factor was that Carter campaigned openly as a "born again" Christian. As a result, he picked up the evangelical vote in the South.
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The lines of political discourse in 1976 are not what you would expect at all. This is not a political divide map I can easily make sense of.

Connecticut, Vermont, and New Jersey all went with Gerald Ford (Republican) and yet very Liberal Jimmy Carter (Democrat) picked up ever single Southern state?!

What were the forces driving this?

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There were sevearal reasons: 1-the south was just starting to realize the GOP wasn't so bad, but hadn't quite gotten there: Carter was from the souther and ford had pardoned Nixon. Plus Carter, regardless of what many might have thought about him, had a certain amount of charm. Add to that the evangelicls which we know are pretty powerful in the south, especially almost 40 years supported the good ole baptist boy and there were a lot of Republicans that were pissed cause Reagan didn't get the nomintaion.
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Old 11-21-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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There were sevearal reasons: 1-the south was just starting to realize the GOP wasn't so bad, but hadn't quite gotten there: Carter was from the souther and ford had pardoned Nixon. Plus Carter, regardless of what many might have thought about him, had a certain amount of charm. Add to that the evangelicls which we know are pretty powerful in the south, especially almost 40 years supported the good ole baptist boy and there were a lot of Republicans that were pissed cause Reagan didn't get the nomintaion.
Well no what the debate, 1976 was truly the last competitive election being that the 3 largest populated states(CA, NY, and TX)were up for grabs for either candidate. It was also perhaps the most consequential too in the fact if Ford had won, Reagan probably never would have been president along with both Bushes possibly.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Well no what the debate, 1976 was truly the last competitive election being that the 3 largest populated states(CA, NY, and TX)were up for grabs for either candidate. It was also perhaps the most consequential too in the fact if Ford had won, Reagan probably never would have been president along with both Bushes possibly.
Great points. Had Ford won in 76, Reagan would not have challenged a GOP incumbent in 1980. And then Bob Dole may well have gone on to serve a couple terms after Ford. No Reagan revolution, and a completely different GOP today.

Edit: had Ford won in 76 I don't believe he would have been able to run again in 1980 under the 22nd Amendment. He served as POTUS for more than two years (74-77) and therefore would not have been eligible to run in 1980.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The lines of political discourse in 1976 are not what you would expect at all. This is not a political divide map I can easily make sense of.

Connecticut, Vermont, and New Jersey all went with Gerald Ford (Republican) and yet very Liberal Jimmy Carter (Democrat) picked up ever single Southern state?!

What were the forces driving this?

Electoral Maps 1972-2012
This is an easy one.

The country was totally burnt out and very angry about Nixon & Co.'s crimes and dishonesty.

Jimmy Carter got elected for one reason--he was thought to be honest.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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What makes you think Carter was the liberal in that race?
Yup, Mo Udall and Jerry Brown (when he had hair) were the liberals in the Democratic primaries in 1976.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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Another factor was that Carter campaigned openly as a "born again" Christian. As a result, he picked up the evangelical vote in the South.
Bingo!! Something like 56% of the evangelical Christians. Carter was a southern Govenor, a Southern Baptist, running against a moderate seemingly non religous midwestern Republican. Enter Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Ronald Reagan and the Christian vote swung right and has been the Republicans to lose ever since.
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Old 11-21-2014, 06:17 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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The lines of political discourse in 1976 are not what you would expect at all. This is not a political divide map I can easily make sense of.

Connecticut, Vermont, and New Jersey all went with Gerald Ford (Republican) and yet very Liberal Jimmy Carter (Democrat) picked up ever single Southern state?!

What were the forces driving this?

Electoral Maps 1972-2012
I wouldn't really label Pres Carter a "liberal". The partisan divide was not like what it is now. There was much more overlap. Let's not forget that Pres Nixon gave us the EPA and accelerated Affirmative Action. Pres Ford gave away the Panama Canal in 1975. The South was still pretty Dem back in those days too. The Repub party wasn't hijacked by the religious loonies until the Reagan era. Ford was a flawed candidate because he pardoned Pres Nixon and was a victim of the Watergate fallout.
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