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Old 12-11-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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The most surprising result is California jumping from worst run state (for three years in a row) to not even in the top 10 worst run.
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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The most surprising result is California jumping from worst run state (for three years in a row) to not even in the top 10 worst run.
They were able to do so only after marginalizing the GOP in the state. Hmm...
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Like it or not, historically a relatively small number of states have produced Presidents. Most of the states you mentioned have NEVER produced a nominee, let alone President and others not since the 19th Century. Besides lacking national exposure, they are unlikely to attract money from donors for fear that they can't win.

The best that a Governor or Senator of one of these "fly over" states can generally hope for is to be selected Asa running mate, and to build up hisresume that way.
Lacking National exposure is the problem. The national news media is situated in NY and DC. Their world is small. They don't get their butts out to these successful states unless there's a natural disaster or a big crime and even then they send some lowly reporter. The way they talk about the middle of the country is as if the people who live there are aliens from Jupiter. The TV news people have the electronic capability to interview governors in these successful states but they don't. Instead, we see the same old faces year after year. The same old faces they see at their parties and luncheons. I bet some of them have been to Baghdad more than they've been to North Dakota or Wyoming.

The reason they don't attract donors is because no one on Wall Street knows who the (bleep) they are.
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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As for Christie and Martinez, both are in states that have had a culture of corruption. Both have tried to fight it, but you don't turn a culture around overnight. Do we want a prez who was lucky enough to be in a state with oil and gas, whose only challenge was to not screw things up, or do we want a Bobby Jindal who has had to face untold challenges as Gov. of Louisiana?
Louisiana doesnt have Oil,Gas, And corruption ?????
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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They could be if the NY - DC corridor (media, politicians, finance) talked about them more instead of just promoting the guys with whom they have lunch and cocktails.
Thats up to republicans to do then.

I say republicans because Democrats did give Bill Clinton the Democratic Nod, Most analyst say Howard Dean(Gov. of VT)screwed himself in 2004 And he served as DNC chairman, and the current VT Governor serves as DGA chairman.

Also,lets be clear. Christie gets the spot light because he is a R governor in a Blue state and he has a big mouth. He forced himself into the spot light, and he then took advantage of it once he was there.
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Old 12-11-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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They were able to do so only after marginalizing the GOP in the state. Hmm...
Or try Brown reigning in the Democrat Legislatures uninhibited liberalism. Brown is the first Governor since I moved here in 1996 to tell the Democrats "NO!" and get away with it. And that's scary because, obviously, he is a Democrat.
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Old 12-11-2014, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Or try Brown reigning in the Democrat Legislatures uninhibited liberalism. Brown is the first Governor since I moved here in 1996 to tell the Democrats "NO!" and get away with it. And that's scary because, obviously, he is a Democrat.
What did he tell them " No" on ?
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Old 12-11-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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And BTW, the Republicans gained 4 seats in the CA assembly (now 52/28), and 3 in the Senate (now 26/14). Still a small minority, but the Dems lost their supermajority.
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Old 12-11-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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I think many governors don't run due to the lack of name-recognition and the ability to raise the sums necessary to capture a major party nomination.
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Old 12-11-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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And BTW, the Republicans gained 4 seats in the CA assembly (now 52/28), and 3 in the Senate (now 26/14). Still a small minority, but the Dems lost their supermajority.
How are 65% of the assembly and 65% of the Senate not supermajorities?

I would have probably given Pawlenty a look if he lasted until the SC Primary- which basically the 3rd contest. I think he might have been the successful anit-Romney. Truth be told after 22 years of inspiring and charismatic Presidents I long for boring. If I could dial back the clock and keep the first President Bush around 4 more years I would do so in a heartbeat.

Also McCain got the nod in 2008- if New Mexico is a fly over state Arizona would be also.

The latest possible R contender I've read about is Snyder in Michigan. I think he might be able to present a pretty good case for himself but doesn't have the bombastic personality of Christie or Gingrich who can break through in one of those cattle call debates we are destined for.
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