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Old 12-14-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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I believe the turn out Mr Obama's candidacy generated in 2008 and again in 2012 is an anomaly. The turnout was based upon a now mostly undelivered vision. The 'belief' factor will be difficult to conjure a third time. Because, the 'disappointments' in lack of delivering on the Obama visions will make another candidacy based on that kind of image difficult to impossible.

It is hard to imagine another candidate, from either party engendering that kind of support and fervor again.
One thing I don't understand: Don't any of the freeloading Obamacare beneficiaries vote?? It would seem to me that those ppl would come out and vote strongly for Dems in presidential years to keep the spigot flowing. Of course, the bigoted southern white beneficiaries wouldn't vote for Dems, but what about all of the others? Of course, it has stirred a lot of animosity from those of us former Dems who view it as an unwanted TAX, which is what it is.
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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You're kidding right?

1. Onerous and abundant regulations.

2. Obamacare.

3. "You didn't build that."

4. Shutting down oil drilling in the gulf when President Obama inserted a moratorium recommendation into a report by a group of scientists who said no such thing/made no such recommendation after the Gulf oil spill. When Congress held hearings on it and a member of his own administration testified, they said the moratorium was done without doing an economic impact study. People on the rigs weren't the only ones who lost work or business when he pulled that little stunt to kill Louisiana's economy and then offered money to Brazil (Petrobras) to do the exact same type of drilling off Brazil's coast.

5. Democrat led demonstrations against fast food restaurants.

6. The coal industry

7. The 2009 War against the Chamber of Commerce instigated by President Obama, his Energy secretary and one of his other most senior advisors criticizing the chamber publicly. DNC called them "shills for big business." "It's no great mystery what Barack Obama was doing when he accused the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of directing funds collected from overseas to a massive advertising campaign designed to shape the fall congressional elections. He wanted to remind voters that a powerful arm of corporate America is determined to derail some of the biggest elements of his domestic agenda. But he was also desperate to find some issue even a contrived one to inspire his cranky liberal base and avert a wipeout that could wreck the remainder of his term."

Risky Campaign-Ad Fight: Obama vs. Chamber of Commerce - TIME

"Harry Alford, president and CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, blasted President Obama's anti-business administration in an explosive interview. Alford, a 2008 Obama supporter, labeled the administration 'Marxist' and 'fanatical.' 'They might as well put on the brown shirts and swastikas," he said."

Black Chamber of Commerce President Blasts "Marxist," "Brownshirt" Obama | RealClearPolitics

8. Wal-Mart

9. NLRB goons trying to manage Boeing's expansion operation into South Carolina because the union thugs in Washington state have Dems in their pocket.

10. Killed business in Las Vegas by telling people not to hold conventions there.

I think I could even come up with more if I spent some time thinking about it.
#3 has commonly been taken out of context. Truth is that American taxpayers have funded the Interstate Highway system, internet, medical and drug research, etc. Business entrepreneurs have taken significant start-up risk, but they did enjoy some help with the support of the vast taxpayer-supported system. I understood that.

#10. I wasn't aware that Las Vegas is DEAD? Really? There is an endless supply of hotels/convention centers on the Strip. Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson did this to himself!! (If true). A smart businessman would at least make an attempt to "play both sides" rather than leverage all of his large donations on one side (Repubs). Why would ANY Dem-leaning organization wish to put $$ into the pockets of someone who is donating his largesse to eliminate or damage them? That's what free enterprise is about.
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Old 12-14-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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I think what drove the turnout among blacks, the image of 'one of their own' - a black man running - trumps any real or imagined benefits they might receive. Racial pride, simply put. I can understand it. So, I disagree with you on that point.

That as well as the 'cool factor' among young voters, the assuaging 'white guilt' and 'justice', among white liberals. Dissatisfaction among others.

All in all, a powerful convergence of factors. Unlikely to ever be repeated.
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One thing I don't understand: Don't any of the freeloading Obamacare beneficiaries vote?? It would seem to me that those ppl would come out and vote strongly for Dems in presidential years to keep the spigot flowing. Of course, the bigoted southern white beneficiaries wouldn't vote for Dems, but what about all of the others? Of course, it has stirred a lot of animosity from those of us former Dems who view it as an unwanted TAX, which is what it is.
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Old 12-14-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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Jeb Bush can win if he can get nominated. Hispanics will trust him to work toward immigration reform and, let's be frank, a Republican has a much better chance of getting that done than a Democrat given the House makeup. The trick is getting nominated. It looks like the establishment Republicans are clearly winning the ideological war in the party, but they opened a can of worms by pandering to the extreme for so long. It's a hard road back, but I would not rule them out. The country is still more about policy moderation than it is about party affiliation when it comes to the general election.
Pandering to the extreme? You're joking right? Who do you think won the majority in 2010? the moderates? Nobody likes the "establishment republicans". The only way that an independent minded person would vote for a moderate republican is because the dems are so wrong. It is the lesser of 2 evils. So, while you claim that people want to vote for moderates, then where does that leave the dems???
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:03 PM
 
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Don't count on the electoral map being the same forever.
There has been large swings in 4 years
1988/1992, 1964/1968 , 1928/1932, 1916/1920 are examples
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:42 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The latest example btownboss4 featured white voters comprising about 15% more of all votes than 2016 will bear. Non-diverse voting for POTUS isn't returning..ever.
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Old 12-14-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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3. Have no other agenda other than opposing anything that the GOP wants.
I think this, to me, is the big one. In a way the parties have almost switched places. The GOP has all these ideas of how to do things different, and the Democrats are the party conserving the New Deal era welfare state. That's just not going to fly.
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Old 12-15-2014, 04:38 AM
 
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The latest example btownboss4 featured white voters comprising about 15% more of all votes than 2016 will bear. Non-diverse voting for POTUS isn't returning..ever.
Sorry to break it to you but Democrats don't have a monopoly on minorities, for example Republicans won the Asain vote narrowly, and the Hispanic vote was about 60-40 this year.
The Republican Party is no more dead than the Democratic Party was is 1989.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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First, a disclaimer. For anyone who doesn't already know it, I am a democrat. Most people here would probably say I'm a liberal too. Even so, I consider myself a moderate to conservative democrat who is troubled by the most left wing people in the party. I think the Election of 2016 greatly favors the democrats. Yet, I've seen elections thrown away by sheer stupidity. Here's my list of all the ways we could throw away the election:

1. Allow a huge primary battle between Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren that bitterly divides some in the party.

2. Nominate Warren to be President, despite the fact that the party has always lost when it nominated a "Massachusetts Liberal" (Dukakis, Kerry) as its Presidential candidate.

3. Have no other agenda other than opposing anything that the GOP wants.

4. Keep up opposition to projects like the Keystone Pipeline which would, at the very least, bring many high-paying, short-term construction jobs to this country and, over the long-haul probably help to keep oil prices down.

5. Act like the only issues that matter in this country are "women's rights" issues.

6. Repeatedly demonize all business interests in this country and act like they are on the right-hand of Satan.

7. Fail to take threats in the Middle East like ISIS seriously.

8. Continue to blame George W. Bush for every problem in the country, despite the fact he's been out of office for six years now.

9. Pretend that Jeb Bush is not a serious candidate for President and do little to prepare for a race against him.

10. Take minority votes for granted when there is a rising tide of disatisfaction with both parties in the Hispanic and African American communities.

Winning in 2016, requires us to acknowledge and deal with these problems instead of putting our heads in the sand.
In other words, keep acting like they already are. Pretend to be the only group who knows anything and that their agenda is just automatically right without regard to the wishes of the people.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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Not being out there pro life no abortion and not taking an official position are NOT the same. The problem for the GOP and getting thrashed at POTUS is largely being on the fringes , when with a tiny Red Wall vs much larger EC BW, they must win the vast majority of moderates. Moderates are not staunchly pro life.

The same holds true for Immigration. a pathway to citizenship in the same bill strengthening the border would show moderates the GOP is not simply wing nuts in terms of POTUS candidates.

PS: The Dems are to the left of no official pro choice/life position, so no, a not take a stand would not make both the same.

I realize these are complex concepts for you, but you exist on the far right fringe of the nation. That is not who decides who gets sworn in 1/20/17.



GOP getting trashed at the POTUS? In the last 4 Presidential elections both parties have a SPLIT (2-2) and its been a long time in which a party won 3 presidential elections in a row which will be a big problem for Hillary or whoever the democrats nominate and try to run away from Obama who has low approval numbers.


Moderates are not staunchly pro life or they aren't staunchly pro choice as all abortions on demand should legal with no restrictions using public funds as the stance of the democrat party.



you think the presidential elections are decided on the abortion issue? LMAO!!! It has always been about the economy.
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