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Old 12-15-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Pandering to the extreme? You're joking right? Who do you think won the majority in 2010? the moderates? Nobody likes the "establishment republicans". The only way that an independent minded person would vote for a moderate republican is because the dems are so wrong. It is the lesser of 2 evils. So, while you claim that people want to vote for moderates, then where does that leave the dems???
In the White House in January 2017.
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:44 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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In the White House in January 2017.
If they can get tickets for the tour.
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:50 PM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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It's all about turnout. Young voters go overwhelmingly Democrat. They turned out for both Obama elections but not midterms. That's why Obama got elected twice but has huge losses in both chambers.

Democrats need a candidate that young voters are excited about.
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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It's all about turnout. Young voters go overwhelmingly Democrat. They turned out for both Obama elections but not midterms. That's why Obama got elected twice but has huge losses in both chambers.

Democrats need a candidate that young voters are excited about.
Or at the very least an honest, law abiding candidate.
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Hillary cannot distance herself either from Obama or her vote for Obamacare, which will be an albatross around her party's neck for years to come; about HALF of the 60 Democratic Senators who voted for it have lost their Senate seats since 2010, and that monstrosity may yield more election day carnage for the liberals in 2016.

Our comatose economy excluding the BOOMING automobile industry on top of dismal sales numbers from McDonald's and other economic bellcows will be some more headaches & conditions for them to defend, since Obama & Co. have no idea how to turn it around.
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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No, censusdata, it is about demographics and the reality that what excites the GOP base turns off a majority of POTUS voters in key swing states.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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Hillary cannot distance herself either from Obama or her vote for Obamacare, which will be an albatross around her party's neck for years to come; about HALF of the 60 Democratic Senators who voted for it have lost their Senate seats since 2010, and that monstrosity may yield more election day carnage for the liberals in 2016.

Our comatose economy excluding the BOOMING automobile industry on top of dismal sales numbers from McDonald's and other economic bellcows will be some more headaches & conditions for them to defend, since Obama & Co. have no idea how to turn it around.
She didn't vote for Obamacare. She was out of the Senate by then.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:39 AM
 
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She didn't vote for Obamacare. She was out of the Senate by then.

she supported it and she has to defend it come 2016..............she has to tap dance a lot since obamacare is unpopular and the main reason the democrats lost the senate last month.

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Old 12-16-2014, 02:00 AM
 
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Not being out there pro life no abortion and not taking an official position are NOT the same. The problem for the GOP and getting thrashed at POTUS is largely being on the fringes , when with a tiny Red Wall vs much larger EC BW, they must win the vast majority of moderates. Moderates are not staunchly pro life.

The same holds true for Immigration. a pathway to citizenship in the same bill strengthening the border would show moderates the GOP is not simply wing nuts in terms of POTUS candidates.

PS: The Dems are to the left of no official pro choice/life position, so no, a not take a stand would not make both the same.

I realize these are complex concepts for you, but you exist on the far right fringe of the nation. That is not who decides who gets sworn in 1/20/17.




we already have a pathway to citizenship its call the LAW that is not being enforce by the FEDS. Pathway to citizenship is the code word from the left for Amnesty which you sure are the parrot here from the left and the majority of the nation is against it.



Any idiot knows that the President can't do much about abortion or immigration reform and for you to bring those 2 things for the GOP to win is really funny how you repeat the talking from msnbc. If that's the case the Republican Party wouldn't have control of the house, senate and the majority of the governorship of the nation based on their platform but you were proven wrong.


Fact is both parties have split the last 4 Presidential elections (2-2) and its been a loooooong time since a party has won the WH 3 times in a row and looking at Obama's approval numbers and the unpopular obamacare look its probably going to stay that way.


You can spin it all you want but the Republican Party are doing fine without changing their immigration and abortion stand like you suggest.......they control the majority of the governorships, they control the house and the senate.....and the party is 2-2 in the last 4 presidential elections and in a good position in 2016 if Obama's approval numbers are low.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:11 AM
 
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If Jeb has the guts to actually campaign even during the primaries as favoring Immigration Reform, which would mean spending the primary season running a moderate campaign, I agree Ponderosa, he could have at least a tough battle chance. If he panders ala Mittens to the far right (Mittens should have defended Perry getting booed over school programs for kids of illegals), then Jeb, like McCain and Mittens, will get thrashed November, 2016.

Long-term, in order to raise their November POTUS shot, I strongly feel the GOP should return to party leaders picking a ticket, or else, go to super primaries from the get go, with large Blue Wall states and swing states in the opening rounds, to reduce the disproportionate "voice" given "Middle of nowhere, small EC states..that will stay red no matter what anyway".



how did Romney pandered to the far right on immigration? He is for securing the border and NO on Amnesty which the majority of the country supports.

you really repeat the left non-sense talking points.


We already have laws in the books and a pathway to citizenship for everybody in the world. The people that are here illegally decided to violate our laws and shouldn't be given special treatment or a pathway to citizenship.
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