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Old 02-16-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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A little "snafu" has come up lately for Jeb.

The subject of many of Jeb's emails was Terri Schiavo.


Bush role in end-of-life dispute as governor now 2016 issue - Sun Sentinel

What is especially egregious was that after a judge ruled that Michael Schiavo, Terri's legal guardian, could remove her feeding tube; Jeb had the GOP-controlled Legislature pass a one-page bill granting the governor the power to order the tube reinserted. Bush signed it into law, and a police-escorted ambulance moved her from a hospice to a hospital, where the tube was put back in.

So much for small government.
This issue became a real three ring circus in Florida, I remember it well. Unless an act is criminal, there is no reason for the government to get involved in family/religious matters. This is why we have separation of church and state.
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Old 02-16-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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This issue became a real three ring circus in Florida, I remember it well. Unless an act is criminal, there is no reason for the government to get involved in family/religious matters. This is why we have separation of church and state.
Where do you think the laws against murder, rape and theft came from if not from religion aka Christianity?
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Old 02-16-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Where do you think the laws against murder, rape and theft came from if not from religion aka Christianity?
Non-Christian societies have had laws against all those things.
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Old 02-16-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Where do you think the laws against murder, rape and theft came from if not from religion aka Christianity?
If you are okay with elected officials drumming up new laws based on their personal religious views, you might be a bit dismayed if a Jehovah's witness is elected and outlaws blood transfusions or some other scenario.
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:08 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Sounds like she's LOST her mind. She better get checked out.

She's obviously severely diminished, not remembering the disastrous effects of 2 Bushes in the WH.
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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For me it is just pragmatic political calculus. I would be willing to consider Jeb, but I don't think he can get past the low-info voter hurdle to win a general election. They will associate him with W Bush, and he will lose.

In politics, perception is reality. Of course Mom is not going to see it that way.
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Poor Barbara

I think it's more likely that Barbara Bush is insane. She now is a great threat to the well-being of this country, promoting the placing of yet another Bush in the White House.

Bushes kill more Americans than Islamic terrorists. They do more damage to our economy and run up the deficit more than Islamic terrorists ever could. They divide the nation along racial, cultural, and economic lines, more than Islamic terrorists ever could. Bushes turn every domestic area into crisis mode, something Islamic terrorists couldn't do. Bushes want to throw granny over the cliff, and those who are not rich under the bus. Their party is far more effective doing this than Islamic terrorists ever could be. Each time this country has made the colossal mistake of putting a BUSH in the White House, the country suffers mightily. Fortunately, we have had Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who were able to clean up the mess and get this country back on track. I think 8 years of Obama followed by 8 years of Clinton would have this country progressing favorably. Sticking another Bush mistake in office would have this country REGRESSING back towards the slavery days.

Desiring another Bush is pure insanity.
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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Where do you think the laws against murder, rape and theft came from if not from religion aka Christianity?
It is true that at times throughout the history of man on the planet, religion has been the only civilizing force in many areas. And many laws or customs that were developed by religious authorities were based on observations that certain actions and behaviors were not good for the health and welfare of the adherents of various religions. For example, laws against the consumption of pork came from religious authorities who observed that, in the days when refrigeration was not available, the consumption of the flesh of the pig was generally unhealthy for people.

However, I am not here to get into a religious debate. Much of US law was originally based on English Common Law, as I understand it.

I objected to Jeb turning the issue into a three ring circus and attempting to promulgate a law specifically to handle this one case. He should not have gotten involved in a family matter. I felt deeply for all parties involved at the time, but this was between the husband and the parents of the wife.

What this shows, however, is that he would have no problem with issuing all sorts of executive orders and that bothers me. It'd be like a king being appealed to by one of the commoners or a group of commoners to act on their behalf, as is happening with La Raza at this time.
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:42 PM
 
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I do agree Schiavo was a JB mess up of epic proportions. 43 would have not gotten involved; he was IMO the more often, prudent brother.
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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It is true that at times throughout the history of man on the planet, religion has been the only civilizing force in many areas. And many laws or customs that were developed by religious authorities were based on observations that certain actions and behaviors were not good for the health and welfare of the adherents of various religions. For example, laws against the consumption of pork came from religious authorities who observed that, in the days when refrigeration was not available, the consumption of the flesh of the pig was generally unhealthy for people.

However, I am not here to get into a religious debate. Much of US law was originally based on English Common Law, as I understand it.

I objected to Jeb turning the issue into a three ring circus and attempting to promulgate a law specifically to handle this one case. He should not have gotten involved in a family matter. I felt deeply for all parties involved at the time, but this was between the husband and the parents of the wife.

What this shows, however, is that he would have no problem with issuing all sorts of executive orders and that bothers me. It'd be like a king being appealed to by one of the commoners or a group of commoners to act on their behalf, as is happening with La Raza at this time.
I fully agree with you about Jeb Bush and I am a conservative. I don't trust him. After he stated that illegals coming here is an act of love that did it for me. He's just another amnesty idiot like Obama is then. Not sure if him having a Mexican wife has anything to do with it but it just sends up more red flags with me.
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