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Ditch the extremist theocracts like Perry and Santorum, get rid of the bigots, stay out of the culture wars and slap Cruz and his slash and burn mentality down and I'll vote for the GOP again. Show me real fiscal responsibility, secure borders, protection from religion extremists (I'm looking at you, Muslims). Every GOP rep that makes "legitimate rape" comments and wants to roll back decades of agency for females in the country guarantees I avoid the GOP.
But, while we're on the subject of "bible-thumpers" here, let me just say that no politician I know of in recent history EVER thumped a bible harder than JEB! did during the whole Terry Schiavo debacle. Of course, I do realize that he was put up to it by shrub and Rove, for no other purpose than to throw some read meat to what they called "the base". Again, another cringe-worthy moment from JEB!, except this lasted for quite a while.
In fact JEB! turned this state into a three ring circus on a number of occasions and actually gave Florida some major black eyes and turned it into a big joke.
A divided party is still better than evil. 13 years killing people that had done absolutely nothing to us is evil. Not the lesser of two evils but plain old evil.
The divided party did not work and NEVER worked. Want another example? In the early 1960's there was another schism in the Republican party that came to a head in 1964 during the primaries. It was between the conservative Goldwater Republicans and more moderate Rockerfeller/Nixonian Republicans. 1964 Republicans had the WORST margin of defeat when they went with a conservative candidate in Barry Goldwater. The Goldwater win hurt the republicans because of what Goldwater said and actually caused Republicans who voted Republican several times to re-think voting party lines again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiG0AE8zdTU
To tie back into the modern era, remember how much flack there was on the national basis with the rape-gate candidates and even Romney's 47% comments as a moderate? Imagine a far-right Republican nominee, there isn't a way they would win with moderates (the votes the NEED to win the white house that Romney brought more in.) Compared to them who are for the most part low informed voters who would not likely vote third party, virtually any democrat nominee not being super far-left would win.
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story...
Some Republicans were so stupid to throw out the baby with the bathwater. To not vote was the same as electing Obama as president because they didn't agree with all of of Romney's platform. Those Republican non-voters were and are fools.
McCain? McCain isn't "right". McCain isn't a "conservative". McCain is dangerous.
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Exactly. McCain is truly an American tragedy. He is an excellent example of why anyone who has ever been tortured and imprisoned by the enemy should never, ever hold a sensitive position, elected or otherwise, in the private or public sectors, especially if they have betrayed their own people. They should be pensioned off and given kindness and understanding, yes, and maybe some sort of symbolic position, a nice place to live, a fishing pole or something like that.
Unfortunately, the pain and duress suffered under torture during imprisonment tends to affect such people very badly for the rest of their lives and they can't help but do other than betray the very people they're working for or with. It messes up their minds big-time. They'll actually take on the personas of the torturers, Stockholm syndrome and all that. Sometimes they'll go out of their way to do favors for the opposition. Sometimes they act out like rabid dogs. It's a very sad situation.
Now, a war vet wounded in the line of duty is an entirely different matter, provided they haven't had a head injury.
We are in two worthless needless wasteful wars. We are trillions in debt. What we have been doing has not worked.
Point taken though personally the wars are mostly won, it's just the clean-up from them and I honestly want to know why Afghanistan is considered a wasteful war. Schism in parties have done more harm than good. The liberals could have had a fair shot at the white house in 1968 had Bobby Kennedy not got shot and killed. Instead we had Humphrey who was kind of Kennedy but not quite (as well as the far left who were the Yippies who protested Chicago that showed how ugly the left was on the national scale thanks to Nam and the Dixiecrats like Wallace (not Dixiecrat by name by his stance)) vs. Nixon who had the Republican vote whether it was the moderates or the conservatives based on his authoritarian stance. In 1992, H. Ross Perot's views on economics which while Republican was taking votes from George Bush 41.
Point taken though personally the wars are mostly won
Wow.....sorry, we accomplished what outside of making a mess out of these countries?
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it's just the clean-up from them and I honestly want to know why Afghanistan is considered a wasteful war. Schism in parties have done more harm than good. The liberals could have had a fair shot at the white house in 1968 had Bobby Kennedy not got shot and killed. Instead we had Humphrey who was kind of Kennedy but not quite (as well as the far left who were the Yippies who protested Chicago that showed how ugly the left was on the national scale thanks to Nam and the Dixiecrats like Wallace (not Dixiecrat by name by his stance)) vs. Nixon who had the Republican vote whether it was the moderates or the conservatives based on his authoritarian stance. In 1992, H. Ross Perot's views on economics which while Republican was taking votes from George Bush 41.
The Kennedy's weren't liberals. Well up to Teddy anyway and he just had a guilt complex.
What did Afghanistan do to us?
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