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Old 01-28-2015, 05:45 AM
 
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Yes, but it is difficult to beat an incumbent president (ask John Kerry) I understand the challenges that conservatives face in 2016. However, the momentum is shifting, and Obama is just going to continue to drag the dems down. I don't think that Hillary will be able to use her gender like Obama did his race. In other words, most women will be not be compelled to vote for Hillary just because she is a woman.
Things are changing... it will be fun to watch.
Correction on my part. 2014 was the weakest turnout since 1942, when millions were in uniform and overseas, rather than since 1972. Also, try not to get too euphoric over "momentum" from an off-year election. If you really had that much mo on your side, don't you think that just one of that calvary charge of candidates on your side would manage to at least be competitive with Hill Dog in polling matchups instead of all losing from an average of 10 to 14 points?
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Old 01-28-2015, 06:04 AM
 
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I thought that Feingold died in a plane crash years ago? Who was that? I think that Norm Coleman took the Senate seat from him.
Wrong guy and wrong state.

Paul Wellstone of Minnesota.

Finegold lost his seat to Ron Johnson in the Tea Party Tide of 2010. He is considering challenging Johnson in 2016, when the higher turnout in a presidential year would probably work in his favor. Johnson beat Finegold in an upset in 2010 by about 4.8% (about 105,000 votes) in a year when about 2.1 million votes were cast. By comparison, Finegold was re-elected in the presidential year of 2004 by 11% (about 331,000 votes) when about 2.9 million votes were cast.

A Republican has not been elected or re-elected to the Senate from Wisconsin in a presidential year since Bob Kasten won in the Reagan landslide of 1980.

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Old 01-28-2015, 06:49 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Romney had a great shot, but he blew it. I'm not a Romney fan anyway. But I'm not a Ted Cruz fan either. Its great that he's shaking things up though because Obama and Reid are bullies. Reid is lucky that he didn't lose both eyes. You're right about New England... but Romney is a smart man. I still stick by my position that his (socially) moderate position hurt him. Romney also had a tough time with the pro military group. Americans are ready for a leader who will stand up to Al Quada and ISIS. Thats why GW Bush won re-election. Can you imagine if Al Gore had been president on 9-11?
The reality of Obama's 'assertiveness' against Bin Ladin, ISIS, Libya and Al Qaeda notwithstanding… it's still not hard to understand why his more cerebral, calculated and less 'nationalistic' leadership style might not appeal to many of the sorta folks who supported Dubya's "wartime presidency". And IMHO the type of voters who demand that sorta style of gung-ho 'leadership' are often the same rural white constituency (aka the 'redneck base') that Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Palin and others manage to attract with their "culture wars". But as the Jebster, Rubio, Romney and basically anyone who's 'done the math' already know, that just ain't enough anymore to elect a GOP POTUS.

GOP Columnist: The VERY Bad News FOR THE GOP in the GOP's Midterm Victory
• Half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. There are no more white Democrats from the South. All of the Dixiecrats are now GOP.
•This is an age built for Republican solutions. The global economy is undergoing a massive, accelerating transformation that promises massive new wealth and staggering challenges. Ladd say that the GOP could address this with heads-up, intelligent adaptations to capitalize on those challenges. Republicans, with their traditional leadership on commercial issues, he claims, should be at the leading edge of planning to capitalize on this emerging environment.
•Instead, he predicts, what the GOP will spend its time on is: Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings.

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Old 01-28-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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GOP Columnist: The VERY Bad News FOR THE GOP in the GOP's Midterm Victory
• Half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. There are no more white Democrats from the South. All of the Dixiecrats are now GOP.
•This is an age built for Republican solutions. The global economy is undergoing a massive, accelerating transformation that promises massive new wealth and staggering challenges. Ladd say that the GOP could address this with heads-up, intelligent adaptations to capitalize on those challenges. Republicans, with their traditional leadership on commercial issues, he claims, should be at the leading edge of planning to capitalize on this emerging environment.
•Instead, he predicts, what the GOP will spend its time on is: Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings.
Spot on. 50-60 years ago and earlier, I'm a card-carrying Republican. Now? The disdain for intellect the party tends to have is enough to keep me away. Not that I don't ever vote for Republicans, but it's not out of partisanship.

At one time, the GOP was a rather big tent and there was room for people like me. Now, I'm a "RINO." Whatever that means.
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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Correction on my part. 2014 was the weakest turnout since 1942, when millions were in uniform and overseas, rather than since 1972. Also, try not to get too euphoric over "momentum" from an off-year election. If you really had that much mo on your side, don't you think that just one of that calvary charge of candidates on your side would manage to at least be competitive with Hill Dog in polling matchups instead of all losing from an average of 10 to 14 points?
The question you should be asking is why are democrat tickets so bad the democrats don't even show up to vote for them.
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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The reality of Obama's 'assertiveness' against Bin Ladin, ISIS, Libya and Al Qaeda notwithstanding… it's still not hard to understand why his more cerebral, calculated and less 'nationalistic' leadership style might not appeal to many of the sorta folks who supported Dubya's "wartime presidency". And IMHO the type of voters who demand that sorta style of gung-ho 'leadership' are often the same rural white constituency (aka the 'redneck base') that Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Palin and others manage to attract with their "culture wars". But as the Jebster, Rubio, Romney and basically anyone who's 'done the math' already know, that just ain't enough anymore to elect a GOP POTUS.

GOP Columnist: The VERY Bad News FOR THE GOP in the GOP's Midterm Victory
• Half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. There are no more white Democrats from the South. All of the Dixiecrats are now GOP.
•This is an age built for Republican solutions. The global economy is undergoing a massive, accelerating transformation that promises massive new wealth and staggering challenges. Ladd say that the GOP could address this with heads-up, intelligent adaptations to capitalize on those challenges. Republicans, with their traditional leadership on commercial issues, he claims, should be at the leading edge of planning to capitalize on this emerging environment.
•Instead, he predicts, what the GOP will spend its time on is: Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings.
Our economy is still bad and so is unemployment. Obama and the left's solution is to amnesty millions of illegal aliens so that they can retain American jobs that Americans need. They have also reduced the wages of many blue-collared jobs. They are low wage earners that once legalized can tap into our welfare coffers which will add more financial and social burden to our society and to the American taxpayer. The left won't be happy until the middle class will be living on food stamps along with the rest of the country. Welcome to the third world where there is only the rich elite and the poor.

Thinly veiled racism? That's utter BS. You guys know what you can do with your race card!
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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^ Well, your "prophecy" might become 'self-fulfilling" if you continue to support the same folks who not only keep shipping our jobs offshore, but are also lobbying for even more "immigrants"!

Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks

HOUSE, SENATE GOP LEADERS GEARING UP TO INCREASE GUEST-WORKER PERMITS
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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All these posters claiming such and such is a "sure thing"......hey, weren't you the same posters saying the GOP had no chance of taking the Senate in 2014?

Do we need to go back and bump the "GOP is dead" threads from 2008?

Because I thought those were hillarious after the "Dems are dead" threads from 2004.

Oh well. We now return you to brainless partisan bickering. Have fun.
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Old 01-28-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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The question you should be asking is why are democrat tickets so bad the democrats don't even show up to vote for them.
That's a good point. If the same electorate showed up in off-year elections that vote in presidential years, the GOP would have a difficult time winning anything. You should be happy they don't vote as regularly as the Republican base, and pray that geriatric Republican voters can make it to the polls for a few more years.

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Old 01-28-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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That's a good point. If the same electorate showed up in off-year elections that vote in presidential years, the GOP would have a difficult time winning anything.. You should be happy they don't vote as regularly as the Republican base, and pray that geriatric Republican voters can make it to the polls for a few more years.
The average age difference between democrats and republicans is like 2 years. The whole "all republicans are dying" meme is silly.

The fact is presidential races are about these people running more so than the party. People generally vote for the person, not the policies come presidential election time. So predicting who is going to win when we don't even know the candidates is futile at best. As far as I can remember the most charismatic person has won the presidential election. Most voters cannot articulate a position of a canidate beyond a single sentance statement.
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