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Old 01-29-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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Dane, are you saying that all politicians are in it for the money? I'm shocked! I thought they wanted to be public servants. The WHOLE public.
The question in my mind is whether professional campaigners should be considered politicians. Those who seek office to influence policy are politicians. Those who work the media knowing damn well they'll never be elected, but stay on to cash in on contributions, speaker fees etc. - they, in my mind, are a lower class.

They distract, they don't contribute, and they give the electorate a reason to dislike the entire process.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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Leviticus predates Jesus by a good while, and is not a part of the New Covenant. Jesus Himself had far more important matters to deal with, such as greed and callousness towards the unfortunate.

if you will notice, He spent his time among the sick, the diseased, the unwashed, the prisoners, the prostitutes, the unemployed, the hungry, and the poor. He didn't have a lot of use for people who had money and refused to share it with those less fortunate, and he had no use for politics except to oppose the power structure that was all about money and power, much like Washington today. And yes, I can show you passages that say these things directly in your red-letter edition.

If you read what I said about camels and needles, you would understand that what JESUS said was that it is difficult for a rich man to get to Heaven - not impossible.

As far as a moral compass, I have gay friends who have been in committed relationships for decades and consider themselves good Christians. They volunteer at food banks and soup kitchens, they sing in church choirs, they tithe and donate to charity over and above what they give to the church. What you are saying is that they cannot be Christians, which I think is absolutely wrong. If they profess Christianity and live Christianity, they are Christians. I seem to recall Jesus saying something about not judging others as well. Anyone who uses their beliefs to attempt to deny the rights and freedoms of another is using their bible as a weapon. Think about it.
Perceived rights. You may think I don't have a right to do this or that but someone else thinks I do. It's about a difference of opinion no matter what the basis for one's opinion is. We live in a democracy and that means we all have a right to our "opinions". I have every right in the world to oppose certain legislations I don't agree with no matter what my reason is for doing so just as you do. You see, how that works?
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Old 01-29-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Perceived rights. You may think I don't have a right to do this or that but someone else thinks I do. It's about a difference of opinion no matter what the basis for one's opinion is. We live in a democracy and that means we all have a right to our "opinions". I have every right in the world to oppose certain legislations I don't agree with no matter what my reason is for doing so just as you do. You see, how that works?
Oppose away! That is, indeed, your right under the First Amendment, and I wouldn't try to stop you. Just don't pretend it's religion when you try to take away someone else's rights. Everybody doesn't share your religious views, and nobody's religious views should be used to make laws for exactly that reason.
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Old 01-29-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Like you, I'd have liked it more if Obama had cleaned up Dubya's messes a lot sooner than he did.
sigh ...He didn't clean up anything. We're still there.

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Cheer up.
You drinking again?

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You'll always have the birth certificate.

I don't care where one is born. It's always about policy.
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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sigh ...He didn't clean up anything. We're still there.

You drinking again?
Not yet.

You?

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I don't care where one is born. It's always about policy.
Sure it is.

Bush fouls up in epic fashion, not a problem.

Obama doesn't clean it up fast enough to suit you, big problem.

Carry on.
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not yet.
You?
Sure it is.

Bush fouls up in epic fashion, not a problem.

Obama doesn't clean it up fast enough to suit you, big problem.

Carry on.
Fast enough? He hasn't started. That's what you don't get.
Stand up for what you believe in. (If you can at all after 3-4 rounds.) You want the troops home or only when an R is in the White House?!
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:49 PM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Ben Carson the Republican's Rock Star

I thought Ted Nugent was the Republicans' Rock Star?
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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Oppose away! That is, indeed, your right under the First Amendment, and I wouldn't try to stop you. Just don't pretend it's religion when you try to take away someone else's rights. Everybody doesn't share your religious views, and nobody's religious views should be used to make laws for exactly that reason.
There is no pretending. Why would there be? If a law is in place that I don't agree with(regardless of my reasons) how am I removing anyone's rights by objecting to it? They would have the law to back them up, wouldn't they? You don't have the right to tell someone they can't base their views or vote on whatever they seem fit to base them on. You contradict yourself when you mention First Amendment rights and then turn around and say by having an opinion on something that differs from yours (and some others) it is removing someone's rights. WTH are you talking about?
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Perceived rights. You may think I don't have a right to do this or that but someone else thinks I do. It's about a difference of opinion no matter what the basis for one's opinion is. We live in a democracy and that means we all have a right to our "opinions". I have every right in the world to oppose certain legislations I don't agree with no matter what my reason is for doing so just as you do. You see, how that works?

You can have whatever belief or opinion you want. The issue is, if we base laws on those personal religious beliefs, because that is a Theocracy.

Also after pointing out Leviticus on why same-sex marriage should be illegal, I noticed you failed to comment on if you think other parts of Leviticus should become law
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Old 01-29-2015, 04:02 PM
 
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You can have whatever belief or opinion you want. The issue is, if we base laws on those personal religious beliefs, because that is a Theocracy.

Also after pointing out Leviticus on why same-sex marriage should be illegal, I noticed you failed to comment on if you think other parts of Leviticus should become law
If legislation is put on a ballot to vote on I have every right to vote yay or nay regardless of what my views are based on just as you have that same right. I'm not going to discuss the entire Bible with you in here. The discussion is about gay marriage. I have no problem with them having a civil union but not a marriage in the true sense of the word. Do I think that a gay relationships are in direct conflict with the Bible's teachings? Yes I do. Don't like it then I can't help you. I am not demanding that you go along with my beliefs so why are you demanding that I agree with yours? I don't see it your way and I never will.
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