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Old 01-29-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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It turns out the new crop of Republican candidates are just rehashing the same rhetoric as the previous candidates. Literally. Verbatim.

"It's like penicillin if penicillin never cured you chlamydia, but made your doctor really rich."

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We'll run our rich old white guys and you'll run your rich old white ladies. Ours will be the ones not talking about free birth control.
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Old 01-29-2015, 09:49 PM
 
Location: NJ
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You missed her getting more primary votes than anyone ever has.
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:14 PM
 
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nmnita, Name one move the GOP has made which would make even a single Blue Wall state competitive in 2016.
What positions have they modified, to avoid another 73-27% Latino trip to the woodshed, or the 67-31% single women trip to the woodshed Planet GOP took in 2012?
Don't forget the African American vote as well; less than 10% vote Republican.

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In 2008 and 2012 the GOP message was rejected, not the messenger. While similar messages do work locally at times for Congress and Senate, they do not work well when diverse populations vote. (Note GOP governorss govern far less conservatively than the RWNJ base would like.)
To be fair they rejected both. That said, while Romney was really unlikeable, none of the current prospective candidates is much better. They're mostly milquetoast, autocratic white guys (again!).

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We'll run our rich old white guys and you'll run your rich old white ladies. Ours will be the ones not talking about free birth control.
Yeah, because free birth control is just sssooooooo awful! Opposing it will make the Republicans even more unpopular with single women... if that's even possible.
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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better than having bilary and vince foster in office.
Speaking of the "same old-same old"…. the OP's right. In fact, are there any Republicans left who aren't still living somewhere in the past (in the antebellum south, the Ozzie & Harriet/Joe McCarthy 50's, 60's Cold Warriors, the Reagan Era, the "Clinton Scandal", whatever…)?

Because that seems to be what "ideological" conservatives always come down to. That it's not really about "policy" or "ideas"… they just hate anything that has to do with 'change' or the 'future'!
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Old 01-30-2015, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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In 2008 and 2012 the GOP message was rejected, not the messenger.
No. For maybe the 100th time, The GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 over identity politics, not message. Romney won the white vote by 59%; evidently white voters liked his message. He lost non white voters by 80%, not because of message, but because of the perception that the GOP was the whites-only party. The only way you can say it was 'message' is if you believe that ideology is inherently a function of skin color.



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Now if the party presents a more moderate , mainstream message , and shows a lifetime of living it, America will, no doubt, be more receptive. If not, we'll see another repeat of that same old failed Southern Strategy.
Every time the party has presented a candidate from the 'more moderate, mainstream' wing, we have lost. HW Bush, Dole, McCain etc. W Bush ran as conservative in 2000 but governed to the left (Medicare Part D, NCLB, spending binges, etc), and barely won both times. W Bush largely won because the Dems could not come up with a strong candidate either time.

And as far as the Southern Strategy, as I have posted before, it is largely a mythical entity.
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Old 01-30-2015, 05:34 AM
 
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To get the nomination: she is probably a shoe in: to get elected don't count your chickens before they hatch. The Republicans have so much young talent and any one of them might give her a run for her money. She has a closet full of things she would like to forget, but it won't happen, she is easy to melt down and she has a huge problem with likability.

Just because you have a candidate you really want to win and stand behind, doesn't make it happen.

The Republicans do need to be careful who they nominate, it can't be a has been, it has to be a fresh face.
totally agree, plus, I'm sick of the family Dynastys running...they have no clue about what Americans need....
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Old 01-30-2015, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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nmnita, Name one move the GOP has made which would make even a single Blue Wall state competitive in 2016.
What positions have they modified, to avoid another 73-27% Latino trip to the woodshed, or the 67-31% single women trip to the woodshed Planet GOP took in 2012?
Let's start with not the past but the future: if you want to go back, how did W do with the Hispanic vote? As for single women, remember more married women vote than single women. Most of the likely to run and win Republicans do support some sort of illegal residents adjustment. Now, let's look at 3 of the newly elected governors: if my memory serves me right, they are from blue, bery blue states? Can you explain that? No one is saying 2016 will give us a GOP president, what many are saying, don't assume the race is over. Hillary will have a lot of explaining to do. If nothing else, she moves away from Obama and people will question why she stayed with him for 4 years if he is so bad, she supports him and many will say, no more Obama for me.
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Old 01-30-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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^ The consensus seems to be that the return of Blue State Republican governors is driven more by a deep frustration with entrenched D.C.-style politics in traditional Dem strongholds…. not unlike the same frustrations of the Tea Party. But even all that 'dissatisfaction" is mostly 'local' and still largely a 'white voter' phenomenon.

On the national level, the "demographics" tell another story altogether.

Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone
"For Republicans to increase the white share of the electorate in 2016 or beyond would require them to reverse the virtually uninterrupted trajectory of the past three decades.
The white share of the total vote has declined in every election since 1980, except in 1992, when it ticked up to 88 percent (from 85 percent in 1988) amid the interest in Perot's quirky third-party bid. Otherwise, this decline has persisted through years of both high and low overall turnout."
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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^ The consensus seems to be that the return of Blue State Republican governors is driven more by a deep frustration with entrenched D.C.-style politics in traditional Dem strongholds…. not unlike the same frustrations of the Tea Party. But even all that 'dissatisfaction" is mostly 'local' and still largely a 'white voter' phenomenon.

On the national level, the "demographics" tell another story altogether.

Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can't Win With Whites Alone
"For Republicans to increase the white share of the electorate in 2016 or beyond would require them to reverse the virtually uninterrupted trajectory of the past three decades.
The white share of the total vote has declined in every election since 1980, except in 1992, when it ticked up to 88 percent (from 85 percent in 1988) amid the interest in Perot's quirky third-party bid. Otherwise, this decline has persisted through years of both high and low overall turnout."
Well I guess if we are to listen to all you libs, who know more than anyone else about politics and how everyone will vote, the country is wasting a lot of money having elections because only a
Democrat can win anymore? What a crock of you know what????!!!!
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No. For maybe the 100th time, The GOP lost in 2008 and 2012 over identity politics, not message. Romney won the white vote by 59%; evidently white voters liked his message. He lost non white voters by 80%, not because of message, but because of the perception that the GOP was the whites-only party. The only way you can say it was 'message' is if you believe that ideology is inherently a function of skin color.





Every time the party has presented a candidate from the 'more moderate, mainstream' wing, we have lost. HW Bush, Dole, McCain etc. W Bush ran as conservative in 2000 but governed to the left (Medicare Part D, NCLB, spending binges, etc), and barely won both times. W Bush largely won because the Dems could not come up with a strong candidate either time.

And as far as the Southern Strategy, as I have posted before, it is largely a mythical entity.
Please pick a far right candidate for president, I would love to watch Republicans scare off the moderates and independent voters in the general election. It would be fun to see how many red states turned blue because of that.
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