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Old 01-30-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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I predicted that the meeting with Jeb and Romney, was for Jeb to urge Romney NOT to run, and he succeeded. He didn't have to work too hard to convince Mitt to hit the dusty trail.

After all, this pompous goon who only wanted to represent less than half the country, is laughable as a presidential candidate. He was beaten into utter submission by the class, effectiveness, poise, substance, character, depth, and total superiority of President Obama.

So chalk this up as yet another great achievement by this President, added to the long list of Obama achievements that Republicans could NEVER accomplish, in making that Romney realize that he never was, and never will be, presidential material.

Fine work, Mr. President. CHANGE.


Is that you Michelle?
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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you are saying ENFORCING our laws is not an option? .....then throw in the white flag and open the borders and make Mexico into a U.S. state or make them U.S. Nationals.

if you give tax cuts across the board, OBVIOUSLY if you earn more you would keep more of your money! ....I know that doesn't fit well with the class warfare narrative of the left. People will invest in the economy and market better with their money than Washington......the difference is Romney trust more the people with their money and Obama trust big government with other people's money.



You mean Romney supported a LAW that Bill Clinton signed into law in 1996 and Hillary supported it?

and you guys elected Bill Clinton TWICE ( and if he could run again, would nominate him again) and will probably nominate Hillary????? LMAO!!! Talk about hypocrisy!!!


by the way, I believe marriage is a state issue not a federal one....I didn't support Bill Clinton signing DOMA into law. I hope you guys on the pro gay marriage side will be as tough on Hillary as with Romney with her flip flopping on the issue....I doubt it.

There is a happy medium, fact of the matter is we do need to do more to secure the border, but we also need to address the situation of those who are already here.

Giving more tax cuts, most of which going to those who were making the most was simply bad policy.

No, something different entirely. DOMA was a mistake by Clinton, but was actually done as a Compromise with Republicans who wanted to go further at the time. Also, what Romney proposed went MUCH FURTHER than DOMA did. DOMA did not AMEND the Constitution to the United States. Being against same-sex marriage is one thing, wanting to write discrimination into the U.S Constitution (which Hillary or Bill never favored) is something entirely different and a much further and more extreme view.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:26 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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The "47%" exaggerations and whining were from the tea party? The faux "war on women" was from the tea party? The stonewalling by the Obama administration on scandals was directed by the tea party?

Your frustrations and blame should be aimed squarely at the much more powerful and wealthy DNC, and most of the U.S. media.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Kudos to President Obama

Romney never was presidential material. Being rejected twice didn't convince this goon. His own party couldn't convince him to leave, and the only reason he was toying with the idea is because of the rest of the people being tossed around as GOP presidential hopefuls, are pathetic.

Kudos to President Obama for this announcement. The President beat him into submission in that last election. It was a complete beat-down, enough to convince him that he is better off shoveling horse manure in Utah.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Tianjin, China
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yeah silly, its winners takes all per state in the electoral college....if its done proportionally by the popular vote of each state then it would be a pretty close election.

Romney won 24 states Obama won 26 states.......the difference in popular vote was less than 5 million.........in a nation that over 127 million voters votes how is that an embarrassed defeat?
It is an embarrassment defeat because Republicans have a lot of people who will vote republican no matter what. And 24 states is not a good result because republican states are smaller, Bush got 31 states.

Reality is that romney only got one million more votes than McCain even though McCain had plenty of disadvantages such as
- Crisis
- Obama was very popular
- Palin
- Republicans have been in power for 8 years
- Lack of funding

Romney didn't have any of the disadvantages mentioned above, but still lost by a large margin. And don't pretend that it was impossible, because that is not what you said before the election. The performance of romney was quite terrible.

Can you mention any candidate who lost with over 100 electoral votes, but faced an unpopular opponent and did not have a third party challenger? Mitt romney realized what you didn't realize, he is not the best candidate.

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Old 01-30-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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There is a happy medium, fact of the matter is we do need to do more to secure the border, but we also need to address the situation of those who are already here.

Giving more tax cuts, most of which going to those who were making the most was simply bad policy.

No, something different entirely. DOMA was a mistake by Clinton, but was actually done as a Compromise with Republicans who wanted to go further at the time. Also, what Romney proposed went MUCH FURTHER than DOMA did. DOMA did not AMEND the Constitution to the United States. Being against same-sex marriage is one thing, wanting to write discrimination into the U.S Constitution (which Hillary or Bill never favored) is something entirely different and a much further and more extreme view.

we already have LAWS to address illegals who broke our laws. Don't give them jobs, don't give them government handouts and make then apply for a work visas like the were supposed to in the first place......we already have a pathway to citizenship and a system to get work visas, if foreigners can't follow our laws they should leave....is that too extreme for you?



so you are saying people keeping more of their earned money regardless of social classes is immoral and bad policy???? .......you buy into the left narrative that the more you earn the government should take more?



now you are funny, making excuses for the Clintons...they don't do anything by mistake.....everything is politically calculated. Clinton signed DOMA to secure the 1996 election since the majority of the country at the time define marriage between 1 man and 1 woman.


this is how silly you sound, you know how hard is to amend the constitution??? even if you the PRO GAY marriage folks want to put it in the constitution, is not going to happen. So by Romney saying:
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“Like the vast majority of Americans, I’ve opposed same-sex marriage, but I’ve also opposed unjust discrimination against anyone, for racial or religious reasons, or for sexual preference. Americans are a tolerant, generous, and kind people. We all oppose bigotry and disparagement. But the debate over same-sex marriage is not a debate over tolerance. It is a debate about the purpose of the institution of marriage and it is a debate about activist judges who make up the law rather than interpret the law.” – Mitt Romney 12/14/06

that makes him extreme????? he sounds a lot like Bill Clinton in 1996......but I guess when Bill Clinton said it, its ok but a Republican saying it? NOOOOOO!!! that makes him extreme......LMAO!!!
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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It is an embarrassment defeat because Republicans have a lot of people who will vote republican no matter what. And 24 states is not a good result because republican states are smaller, Bush got 31 states.

Reality is that romney only got one million more votes than McCain even though McCain had plenty of disadvantages such as
- Crisis
- Obama was very popular
- Palin
- Republicans have been in power for 8 years
- Lack of funding

Romney didn't have any of the disadvantages mentioned above, but still lost by a large margin. And don't pretend that it was impossible, because that is not what you said before the election. The performance of romney was quite terrible.

Can you mention any candidate who lost with over 100 electoral votes, but faced an unpopular opponent and did not have a third party challenger? Mitt romney realized what you didn't realized, he is not the best candidate.
I doubt that. Mitt Romney sees himself as a messiah. His conference call this morning was with potential financial backers and you can be certain he was told that they are backing Bush and not him.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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we already have LAWS to address illegals who broke our laws. Don't give them jobs, don't give them government handouts and make then apply for a work visas like the were supposed to in the first place......we already have a pathway to citizenship and a system to get work visas, if foreigners can't follow our laws they should leave....is that too extreme for you?



so you are saying people keeping more of their earned money regardless of social classes is immoral and bad policy???? .......you buy into the left narrative that the more you earn the government should take more?



now you are funny, making excuses for the Clintons...they don't do anything by mistake.....everything is politically calculated. Clinton signed DOMA to secure the 1996 election since the majority of the country at the time define marriage between 1 man and 1 woman.


this is how silly you sound, you know how hard is to amend the constitution??? even if you the PRO GAY marriage folks want to put it in the constitution, is not going to happen. So by Romney saying:



that makes him extreme????? he sounds a lot like Bill Clinton in 1996......but I guess when Bill Clinton said it, its ok but a Republican saying it? NOOOOOO!!! that makes him extreme......LMAO!!!

1. It simply isn't a viable policy.

2. We need an economy focused on the middle class. Giving additional tax cuts to the wealthiest would not have done that.

3. What Romney proposed was very different from what Clinton agreed to 16 years earlier. It went MUCH further. A law and writing something into the Constitution are two totally different things. Being against same-sex marriage is one thing, wanting to abolish it by means of the Constitution is a total different and much more extreme position.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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It is an embarrassment defeat because Republicans have a lot of people who will vote republican no matter what. And 24 states is not a good result because republican states are smaller, Bush got 31 states.

Reality is that romney only got one million more votes than McCain even though McCain had plenty of disadvantages such as
- Crisis
- Obama was very popular
- Palin
- Republicans have been in power for 8 years
- Lack of funding

Romney didn't have any of the disadvantages mentioned above, but still lost by a large margin. Remember you Romney supporters said we should nominate him because he can win. The performance of romney was quite terrible.

Can you mention any candidate who lost with over 100 electoral votes, but faced an unpopular opponent and did not have a third party challanger? Mitt romney realized what you didn't realized, he is not the best candidate.

Embarrassment is losing the election 49 states to 1 like Walter Mondale in 1984.......or an incumbent President losing 44 states like in 1980 Jimmy Carter.......Democrats still hold that record of embarrassment losses.....Losing an election 26 states to 24 states and by under 5 million votes is not in the same planet as those above.....but I guess democrats have a double standard in everything they do.



You forget an incumbent President always have a huge advantage when they don't have a primary challenge. Obama had a head start, he was running for re-election since JAN/2009. Incumbent Presidents have more access and get more funds to build the grounds game in swing states.....add to that, that the media was on his bandwagon and W BUSH tarnished the Republican brand name for a while, I say Romney did well under those circumstances.


and who is the best candidate in the GOP???? Romney would have given anybody a run for their money.

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Old 01-30-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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1. It simply isn't a viable policy.

2. We need an economy focused on the middle class. Giving additional tax cuts to the wealthiest would not have done that.

3. What Romney proposed was very different from what Clinton agreed to 16 years earlier. It went MUCH further. A law and writing something into the Constitution are two totally different things. Being against same-sex marriage is one thing, wanting to abolish it by means of the Constitution is a total different and much more extreme position.

1) better option than amnesty (a word you are avoiding) and not securing the border.

2) Tax cuts across the board for all EARNERS and cut government spending and simplify the tax code and get rid of the loopholes will help ALL in the economy. Just saying that you will raise the tax rates on the rich for political votes and class warfare will not do anything if you don't simplify the tax code and get rid of the loopholes.

3) neither would have pass the Supreme Court........my point is, when Clinton says things for political motives your side is ALL QUIET! when Romney says things for political motives, then your side paints him extremist....I call it hypocrisy!
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